Honkai: Star Rail

[Kamera]

So your response to a simple disagreement is to default to a state of perpetual passive aggressiveness and derogatory escalatory remarks? Man, talking with you is exhausting.

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It seems to me you're the type who can't ever accept disagreement and want people to agree with you 24/7. From my first reply I admit that I misunderstood and then tries to find common ground, but no, you just have to keep being inflammatory.

[Formless Creature]

I mean you don't have to reply to him... You can always just ignore him...

[Lily Emilio]

So your response to a simple disagreement is to default to a state of perpetual passive aggressiveness and derogatory escalatory remarks? Man, talking with you is exhausting.

What exactly is derogatory here? Did I call you stupid? Did I imply that you're inferior to me? You need to stop trying to make fire out of water and assume the worst of people.

There was no disagreement, only you misreading my replies, misjudging my intentions, making a fuss out of it that forced me to reply then come back asking me to stop being mean. The fuck is this victim mentality? Just accept you made a oopsie and we can move on, I don't mind at all. You didn't even need to make this reply, but you did.

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I mean you don't have to reply to him... You can always just ignore him...

Exactly.

[Kamera]

I mean you don't have to reply to him... You can always just ignore him...

I'm aware this exact topic regarding this exact user have been brought in this exact thread before. I was trying to see if some things may have changed. Clearly not. Very disappointing.

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Case in point

It's not about the volume of what you write, it's about how you phrase it. You come across as very hostile and very self-assured, as if you've already determined that your stance on any given subject is more correct than that of the person you're debating with - there's very little attempt to commiserate or even slightly soften the blow. In other words, it feels like you're saying "I know better than you, so stop arguing and listen to me". I don't know if that's intentional or not, but it is off-putting.

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I mean, we've both been permanent resident of this thread from the beginning, so at the very least if we're to continue posting here I'd like to avoid future unnecessary hostility, thank you.

[TetsuoS2]

I forgot if it was an issue in Genshin and HSR since I quit those in around 3months both, but being a 1.0 player for ZZZ, were Hoyo games always this handholdy? Sometimes tutorials and stop/go tips feel like they last longer than they should, and it ends up that the first couple days of something new becomes extremely easy because that's how long the game keeps telling you how to play something, even for stuff that seems rather obvious to do.

[Formless Creature]

Yes, they are. This is because these games are aimed at a general audience, so the tutorials are made assuming this is the first game you've ever played in your life.

[TetsuoS2]

I feel like I should have put in the survey for them to give us an option about that, just let me walk man, I don't need to know how to walk.

[Deathhappens]

Oh! as someone that likes her, I agree with you in many things on how the story handle her. I was very disappointed with her actual story chapter where she become playable (was it 2.3 idk), and was confused why people like that nothing burger story of a firework.

Speaking about Stellaron Hunter affiliation, the part where she antagonize Acheron and Black Swan as Sam was too forced in hindsight. And after that we immediately gucci with her. I think it will be more natural if her antagonism as Sam being plotted out more, instead of resolved immediately.

As for her disability, I suppose this is the perspective of someone that is pretty much healthy (I do have lung and hearing problems but not in a level of yours, probably), but I like when someone decided to say 'fuck whatever fates they say I had, I will struggle to get what I want' instead of giving in, while still understand the reality they are in. I do agree it's pretty much just informed characterization though, since we never seen her having problems from it on screen.

That said, I really like stories about war veterans, and how you are used by your country, while actually like that they do not really delve into the overused war angst with her so far. But this is mostly just secondary informations of her that is not really present in the story itself, which I am annoyedly found that Mihoyo rely on such thing often (or Typemoon for that matter).

As for her deaths, I find Penacony's 'dream death' is very weak as a whole. We from the get go have seen this happen and from the get go knows it's not literal. No matter the negative effect (which is barely) it had on you, you can't make that has the same gravity as a real death, which they are trying so hard to sell with Firefly and Robin's first death. To see Sunday and Gallagher dragging this drama that we already knows the answer is not fun. So while I find it weak, I don't fault it on her so much as much as the whole concept is very weak (which also weakening Elio's script).

If I compare Penacony as a whole with Xianzhou alliance stuff (pre-Yunli onward), I can still appreciate the characters. They convey what kind of characters are them, what they seek, and what they struggle at, even if they fumble a lot on them (frankly the only one I find executed nicely there is Adventurine). At the very least I think they are managed to explore most of the characters introduced here (except Boothill and maybe Jade), because they failed to sells me the main drama there (the quartet stuff) as they are speedrun most of the key characters to connect with them before moving forward to the next thing, even if I like their designs (that would be Blade, Jingliu and Jing Yuan).

But most of these is a grip that I found in many Mihoyo (HSR and Genshin, at least, idk about HI3rd) characters as a whole, and I find it's not fair to fault her of it without addressing the rest.

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Only around shark girl. So very2 early, like just 2 weekish.

I already made the ZZZ thread (P.S. guys, I made the ZZZ thread, feel free to post there) so I won't spam much, but the combat does get more nuanced when you get past the first couple chapters and encounter bosses that don't fold like clean sheets, have actual patterns and do damage and stuff. For example, the Dullahan miniboss, which you've probably encountered (the constantly teleporting bipedal Ethereal with a sword) gets a lot more threatening when his no-tell-teleports-behind-u-nothing-personnel-kid attacks actually start chopping off a fifth of your health bar. The story beats improve substantially from 1.3 onwards as well (though the Phaethon twins remain comically inept in concealing the fact that they are in point of fact career criminals).

[Kamera]

I feel like I should have put in the survey for them to give us an option about that, just let me walk man, I don't need to know how to walk.

The TV modes has the worst examples of this because each new TV exploration missions have slight gameplay variations and each single one of them has tutorials.

[TetsuoS2]

Yeah, it kinda felt like no one playtested that, felt obvious that making people constantly stop for a single path 'puzzle' doesn't make for good engagement.

[Kamera]

Sometimes it feels like they're playing it intentionally as part of Fairy's character

[Lily Emilio]

I'm aware this exact topic regarding this exact user have been brought in this exact thread before. I was trying to see if some things may have changed. Clearly not. Very disappointing.

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Case in point

This is the mentality that leads to you making the worst assumptions about me. God forbid me being confident in what I'm talking about. If I'm not at least mostly sure of the topic, why should I even make a statement in the first place? Do you see me talking about things I know very little of in this forum (Mahoyo, Western mythology, etc)? Because I only talk about things I am at least quite confident that I can talk about.

Anyone can contest my claims with their own claims and facts duh, when and where did I said you cannot do that? If I am proven wrong I will admit it. There are times on both this forum and other places that it already happened, and I always gladly concede. But because of this false assumption that somehow I will never bulge in my stance that I am acting superior and it is tiring trying to convince me. What is this pessimistic chain of logic?

What part of me saying that "you made an oopsie" qualifies as insulting, derogatory and somehow make me come off as superior to you? Because all I see is "hey you misunderstood my words, but no big deal now we actually agreed". Not knowing something or misreading things are very common, there is nothing wrong with that nor it being something to be embarrassed about. I misunderstood ppl all the time (usually on reddit convo) and everytime I will make an apology once I realized I misunderstood them. Time to stop thinking of being uninformed or making mistakes as a bad thing.

[mami-kouga]

Capitano is cool and all but he's just Camazotz with less sauce

I hated his fanbase so much that I went from indifferent to disliking him and every choice he made in the story made me more negative honestly, him being Fatui is somehow even more of a footnote than it was for Arle though that's a Genshin antagonist faction writing issue rather than something specific to him. The only reason he's not my least favourite character in the arc in because Ororon exists.

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I'm aware this exact topic regarding this exact user have been brought in this exact thread before. I was trying to see if some things may have changed. Clearly not. Very disappointing.

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Case in point


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I mean, we've both been permanent resident of this thread from the beginning, so at the very least if we're to continue posting here I'd like to avoid future unnecessary hostility, thank you.

He's going to exhaust you into submission, I'd advice giving up

[Lily Emilio]

I hated his fanbase so much that I went from indifferent to disliking him and every choice he made in the story made me more negative honestly

I know you don't like me but may I ask 1 thing (no spoilers): Is it STILL about his L against Mavuika in 5.0 or how he became the Lich King and made his own Frozen Throne in that clip? Pretty sure that's a good thing right? He's about to raise an undead army for a rematch I'm sure of it.

[mami-kouga]

I don't give a fuck about either of that and I don't know why you'd assume either of those had anything to do with it

[Formless Creature]

Capitano is cool and all but he's just Camazotz with less sauce

A lot of miHoYo's characters are just less interesting versions of characters from other works of fiction. Sunday is just Maruki from P5R. Mavuika's whole infinitely self-sacrificial leader thing is just Saber. Belobog from ZZZ is Gurren Lagann. Even their HI3 variants are less interesting than the HI3 originals. But I guess if you're gonna take inspiration from something you may as well copy peak. If they're gonna do this I'd like it if they just made their own version of Kohaku and/or Sakura.

[Lily Emilio]

I don't give a fuck about either of that and I don't know why you'd assume either of those had anything to do with it

I mean, that's why I asked? You don't have to get aggressive about simple questions. Jeez.

[mami-kouga]

His fight against Mauvika bugs me mostly for existing in the first place because the Fatui's arrival is incredibly abrupt and the whole scene to exist for him to at least make an attempt at stealing the Gnosis since that's what Fatui are meant to do I guess but they can't even muster up the energy to care about it any deeper than the one attempt so he doesn't even try again for the rest of the quest. Him being the nicest most noble dude ever makes me roll my eyes because of course he is but at least this was telegraphed early instead of just being a pointless red herring like Arle's whole deal. His dynamic what Mauvika I'm probably supposed to find interesting but their point of conflict is very easily talked through when they foil his plan once and I don't like how his writing intersected with Mauvika's first by being the big strong man who has arbitrarily decided he knows what's best for this nation that he's a complete foreigner at on his own and then seeming to just exist in the plot so that Mauvika can get away with all her shenanigans with zero consequences which was the most boring route they could have taken with her sacrifice. With how much they talk about Natlan and memories and how one of Mauvika's big moments required her to sacrifice all the moments from her loved ones I had thought that they'd use that angle for her sacrifice but it's my own fault for expecting that.

His biggest sin however is that his shenanigans subjected me to Ororon's ugly pasty ass on my screen for minutes on end. Didn't even succeed in killing him in the end, shameful

[Lily Emilio]

His fight against Mauvika bugs me mostly for existing in the first place because the Fatui's arrival is incredibly abrupt and the whole scene to exist for him to at least make an attempt at stealing the Gnosis since that's what Fatui are meant to do I guess but they can't even muster up the energy to care about it any deeper than the one attempt so he doesn't even try again for the rest of the quest. Him being the nicest most noble dude ever makes me roll my eyes because of course he is but at least this was telegraphed early instead of just being a pointless red herring like Arle's whole deal. His dynamic what Mauvika I'm probably supposed to find interesting but their point of conflict is very easily talked through when they foil his plan once and I don't like how his writing intersected with Mauvika's first by being the big strong man who has arbitrarily decided he knows what's best for this nation that he's a complete foreigner at on his own and then seeming to just exist in the plot so that Mauvika can get away with all her shenanigans with zero consequences which was the most boring route they could have taken with her sacrifice. With how much they talk about Natlan and memories and how one of Mauvika's big moments required her to sacrifice all the moments from her loved ones I had thought that they'd use that angle for her sacrifice but it's my own fault for expecting that.

His biggest sin however is that his shenanigans subjected me to Ororon's ugly pasty ass on my screen for minutes on end. Didn't even succeed in killing him in the end, shameful

You went a bit into what I assume to be the plot of 5.1 and beyond so I can't fully grasp it, but I'll pay attention to whatever those "plans" are when I reached that part. Noted.

Thanks for the more detailed answer this time. The arc seems to be a lot more controversial than I expected and now I am worried lol.

[mami-kouga]

A lot of miHoYo's characters are just less interesting versions of characters from other works of fiction. Sunday is just Maruki from P5R. Mavuika's whole infinitely self-sacrificial leader thing is just Saber. Belobog from ZZZ is Gurren Lagann. Even their HI3 variants are less interesting than the HI3 originals. But I guess if you're gonna take inspiration from something you may as well copy peak. If they're gonna do this I'd like it if they just made their own version of Kohaku and/or Sakura.

Kohaku and Sakura (and I guess their non Nasu obvious inspiration Anthy) are strongly defining by strongly outwardly masking their depressingly excessive amounts of sexual trauma despite the apocalyptic consequences that can only arrive from them not properly confronting it. I won't comment too much on Kohaku since I won't be playing her route till whenever red garden comes out, but at least for Sakura (who is already less interesting Anthy since it discards the feminist readings of her outward complacency in favour of just the trauma and breakdown) her being even further diluted by Mihoyo I don't particularly love the thought of honestly

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You went a bit into what I assume to be the plot of 5.1 and beyond so I can't fully grasp it, but I'll pay attention to whatever those "plans" are when I reached that part. Noted.

Thanks for the more detailed answer this time. The arc seems to be a lot more controversial than I expected and now I am worried lol.

Natlan is perfectly serviceable for the first 4 acts even with it constantly pissing me off whenever I hear a character use a Yoruba name for the whitest characters in existence. Some of its controversial points like some of the characters being narratively shafted (Kinich and Iansan), the dissonance in the nation's design and technology philosophy and how the nation lacks the oppressive feel similar to Inazuma despite being in an eternal war existed in there but it's pretty forgivable at that point honestly. The interlude being a nothing burger and the last act feeling weirdly paced and anticlimactic is what ended up bugging people the most though.