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    The Beast's Lair Wiki Project

    Hello everyone!

    As you have often heard, the Nasuverse is not the easiest fandom to explore for new and even older fans. There are absolute tons of Type-Moon media out there beyond the well-known VNs, light novels and video games, and a wealth of information about TM works, the lore of the setting, as well as insights from the creators which are spread far and wide in interviews and magazines, difficult for fans looking to dive deeper into Nasu Kinoko’s universe to find. Given that Type-Moon has had over twenty years’ worth of releases, that has amounted to a large share of content that has simply remained unavailable, or even unknown, to most fans.

    While some fandoms are blessed with comprehensively curated and definitive wikis, the situation with TM fansites is more complex. While the Type-Moon Wiki has made admirable efforts over the years in terms of raising its editorial standards, it remains susceptible to the issues endemic to freely editable resources. A number of sites have also been created with the purpose of compiling translations of works and secondary materials into user-friendly, easily accessible libraries, with TMdict being an example of one such site that has demonstrably made obscure setting information available with a couple of clicks. Although these sites are not comprehensive, they are an inspiration to us as proof of the perennial demand for a centralised resource of TM minutiae only nerds care about, and also as guideposts on what we can do to further contribute to this editorial effort.

    By “we” I am referring to myself and Petrikow in a narrow sense, but in reality to Beast’s Lair as a whole. This site has been a primary source of translations for everything from mainline TM works to Nasu’s most inane 4 AM scribblings, and yet not too much effort has been exerted in all this time to centralise this accumulated wealth of materials and make it available to everyone who might be interested in finding it, leaving it instead to outside contributors to trawl BL’s many threads and find the translations that could be distributed as PDFs or archived in external repositories. Given the important role our site still plays in bringing new material to the English-speaking public, the difficulty people have in finding information and resources on BL can be described as negligence born from complacency. “If regular posters can find their way around, new visitors should figure that out too.” Never mind that the death of forums and the rise of certain social platforms have made forums an outdated format that is a hassle for many people to navigate in the first place.

    With all this in mind, Petri and I have decided to revive a project almost as old as the forum itself, and left to languish for just as long - this time for real: the Beast's Lair wiki.

    Still in a proof-of-concept state, for now. In the old days when men were boys and everything seemed possible, the idea was to create a true replacement for the TM wiki, then plagued by a multitude of issues and much maligned as a result. Given that we are now old and the aforementioned wiki has put its house in order, we have scaled down the scope of the project considerably, focusing on the goals we can realistically achieve.

    Simply put, we have a lot of original sources and translated material strewn all across BL, and we believe it can organised in a way that is useful both to TM fans interested in learning more about the setting and the most hardcore of lore warriors looking for a quote in a Drama CD from 2005 that will win them their internet argument. As Petri’s involvement may indicate, we are in a position of Japanese literacy which will prove essential in verifying sources, cross-checking translations when necessary, and rectifying cases where material has slipped through the cracks and may only exist in fragmentary form or summaries buried in ancient threads (the recent Apocrypha-related debacle comes to mind). We also intend to follow specific editorial standards in curating the wiki so as to work towards a clear vision and avoid the issues that come with open editing.

    In summary, we plan to go over BL with a fine-tooth comb and finally bring it all together in one well-organised and easily accessible repository. In doing so, we aim to supplement the already established Type-Moon resource sites with a compilation of the translations that constitute BL’s contribution to the fandom, in a form that can actually be useful to the TM fans of today. As this forum began its life as the discussion board for the Moonlit World, a site whose purpose was to make the Nasuverse accessible to new readers, it feels appropriate to come full circle with a site that does the same for a new audience.

    To that end, this announcement also doubles as a call for any people interested in helping to sort out some of the technical aspects of the wiki, so that it can be fully set up for quick and efficient text contributions from members of the community. Specifically:

    We are looking for someone experienced with Mediawiki and webdev in general, ideally also able to work with scripts and VN files.

    Even more precisely, we would like help with wiki templates and formatting, as well as methods of script extraction and conversion into formats that are easy to import into the wiki.

    If you are interested, you can respond in this thread or send a private message to either me or Petrikow. If we happen to share a Discord, feel free to shoot us a DM there too. We will also promptly answer any questions about this project in this thread.

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    Hey, everyone's favorite smug asshole here.

    The two of us have been trying to make BL more approachable and user-friendly for a while now. The Translation index I created, alongside the MTL rule on the translation sub-forum have been part of such moves. That said, more is needed! So while this project is something the two of us have decided to take on just on our own initiate, we hope that it can grow into something that involves and benefits the western TYPE-MOON community at large. Back when we got involved with the fandom (in the days of yore), the many resources and informal compilations of lore and knowledge was something that bound people together and served as a catalyst for discussion and creativity, and the hopes are that this project can do much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leftovers View Post

    We are looking for someone with Mediawiki experience and webdev in general, ideally also able to work with scripts and VN files.
    …Will the chosen be added to the “Site Leaders” page?

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    No, wiki staff are not forum staff.

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    Ah yeah it is about time.

    It has been a long time since I have done much around here but if you need anything from any of the old stuff I have messed around with feel free to let me know.

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    Unfortunately, I have MediaWiki and webdev experience, as well as working with all kinds of scripts.

    Tho obviously I won't be able to commit full-time with my own TRI-HERMES project, but it should be able to compliment nicely.

    Beam me in
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    Are bots already invading the wiki?
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    Impressive argument.

    Mine, however, is superior: you are dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanashi(kari) View Post
    Are bots already invading the wiki?
    That was fast.
    Well, I kind of figured it would happen…

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlameLib View Post
    Unfortunately, I have MediaWiki and webdev experience, as well as working with all kinds of scripts.

    Tho obviously I won't be able to commit full-time with my own TRI-HERMES project, but it should be able to compliment nicely.

    Beam me in
    I’m in a similar situation. Work and school is taking a lot of my time away from my other projects. I wouldn’t mind helping out, but I’m not sure how much time I’d actually be able to contribute to this. Also… what exactly are you guys looking for? Formatters? Edit screeners? People to dig out audio/image files?

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    Neolurk's independent wikipedias aren't liking the new competition, it seems.

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    I found the link to the wiki on Neo's discord and I want to say it's impressive it already have 60000 users

    https://wiki.nrvnqsr.com/wiki/Special:Statistics

    You probably can make a better Fandom if a single one of those will write 1 article

    Good luck, please use those human resources smart, I'm tired of Fandom pushing headcanons in articles.

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    Hi, Daybit. Say something funny.
    Spoiler:

    Quote Originally Posted by Spinach View Post
    My opinion is better than your opinion, so it isn't up for debate. Much like Daybit, I am simply correct, and that is the end of the discussion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gosserbam View Post
    I am not a shitposter at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow View Post
    Impressive argument.

    Mine, however, is superior: you are dumb.
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    And you want to be taken seriously?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ubergeneral View Post
    The planet is on fire.
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    GOT DICK? ANY PENIS? COCK DONATIONS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlameLib View Post
    Unfortunately, I have MediaWiki and webdev experience, as well as working with all kinds of scripts.

    Tho obviously I won't be able to commit full-time with my own TRI-HERMES project, but it should be able to compliment nicely.

    Beam me in
    Aye, we'll be in touch soondere

    Quote Originally Posted by BladeOfEden View Post
    I’m in a similar situation. Work and school is taking a lot of my time away from my other projects. I wouldn’t mind helping out, but I’m not sure how much time I’d actually be able to contribute to this. Also… what exactly are you guys looking for? Formatters? Edit screeners? People to dig out audio/image files?
    Someone with the webdev expertise detailed in the OP is our first priority at this stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by a piece of twenty-four View Post
    I found the link to the wiki on Neo's discord and I want to say it's impressive it already have 60000 users

    https://wiki.nrvnqsr.com/wiki/Special:Statistics

    You probably can make a better Fandom if a single one of those will write 1 article

    Good luck, please use those human resources smart, I'm tired of Fandom pushing headcanons in articles.
    Those 60k users will get merged into one account to create the ultimate article writing machine.

    I'm thinking of calling it "Gudacuck Prime"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leftovers View Post
    Someone with the webdev expertise detailed in the OP is our first priority at this stage.
    Gotcha. Again, pretty busy atm, but I can help out here and there if you guys like. I’m not an expert by any means, but I’ve done a bit here and there. Thankfully these sorts of SaaS tend to be relatively easy to get the hang of, and I know mediawiki has a decent amount of “how to stuff” you can dig up online.

    Out of curiosity, is dovac going to be involved in this project at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanashi(kari) View Post
    Hi, Daybit. Say something funny.
    Where? Where?

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    I wonder who this brand new account who speaks with broken English and is pointing out the forum being flooded with bot accounts, half of which are seething about Petrikow and netorare, could possibly be.



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    This is great news in general. Though the lack of a "central hub" for Nasuverse stuff has prompted me to be more proactive in actually consuming the stories themselves in order to "get it" on a larger scale, I think the convenience of having one place where I can just hop in to refresh my mind on something will be very appreciated.
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