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    Quote Originally Posted by mami-kouga View Post
    Has that ever being stated officially or is that a cope fandom stated to make sense of why they're nonsensical?
    It's official at minimum as of Imaginary Scramble. Maybe it was initially a cope fandom stated to make sense of why they're nonsensical, but Amphibian is part of that fandom and this was eating him away enough that he took the first chance to canonize it in his event.

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    Did something happen that im suddenly getting takeda and kagetora fanarts in my x TL?
    Kagetora's life was very defined by harrassing a married man.
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    Some pantheons are depicted as Tamamo, while others are only potentially Tamamo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raineh Daze View Post
    pretty sure that's just fandom weirdness, unless you're going to tell me that Gilles and Jack are even aware of morals.
    I mean, not like "morals" have a universal standard, that's why we have disputes surrounding them in the first place. Someone like Gilles' morals are just fundamentally different from a regular person like you and me, but to him it's not like he'd just not have any semblance of the idea of right and wrong, just that what counts as what is very much shifted. And in that sense subjective alignments do make more sense in general, not even just in fate, than objective ones, since objective ones are always like "this is how it is and the values a person holds in high regard", but there are tons of antagonists in lots of different media where they're "morally gray" because they seem evil to the protagonist (usually because of their methods rather than the end result) but to them it's totally in line with being a good person.
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    I think the meaning of FGO's alignment was thrown out the window when it is revealed that it is just what the characters see themselves as.

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    That was such a dumb thing to canonise because it somehow makes less sense than pretending to be an objective but incoherent alignment.

    Quote Originally Posted by fumei View Post
    I mean, not like "morals" have a universal standard, that's why we have disputes surrounding them in the first place. Someone like Gilles' morals are just fundamentally different from a regular person like you and me, but to him it's not like he'd just not have any semblance of the idea of right and wrong, just that what counts as what is very much shifted. And in that sense subjective alignments do make more sense in general, not even just in fate, than objective ones, since objective ones are always like "this is how it is and the values a person holds in high regard", but there are tons of antagonists in lots of different media where they're "morally gray" because they seem evil to the protagonist (usually because of their methods rather than the end result) but to them it's totally in line with being a good person.
    "This is what they view themselves as" somehow leaves us with a bunch of characters who must therefore think they're evil, but have their moral viewpoint off god knows where.
    Last edited by Raineh Daze; December 4th, 2023 at 09:42 AM.

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    In Gilles' case, I really don't see any problem with him thinking himself as evil. Like, his whole thing is doing heinous stuff knowing fully well it's heinous just to spite God. Jack is a bit more weird though, I agree that following this logic I'd see her more as a neutral probably

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    Good luck explaining summer alignments y'all

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    Quote Originally Posted by rxrx View Post
    I think the meaning of FGO's alignment was thrown out the window when it is revealed that it is just what the characters see themselves as.
    That's why I just ignore it completely. What, are we to assume Goetia saw himself as evil despite being totally convinced that everything he ever did was purely good for humanity?

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    Admittedly the concept also kinda gets shaky when you have those with special alignments, like the Chaotic 'Insane' ones (which, granted, are literally only Lancelot, Heracles and Nagayoshi)... and then there's Summer too of course, but if they're Summer-themed, I guess it's whatever. I'm not sure if there's any other weird alignments like those, come to think of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endabend View Post
    Admittedly the concept also kinda gets shaky when you have those with special alignments, like the Chaotic 'Insane' ones (which, granted, are literally only Lancelot, Heracles and Nagayoshi)... and then there's Summer too of course, but if they're Summer-themed, I guess it's whatever. I'm not sure if there's any other weird alignments like those, come to think of it.
    Chaotic Bride (because Nero Bride is just a pit of bizarrely nonsensical writing before they just hit on the idea of 'change clothes'), and Arjuna Alter is simultaneously LG and LE.

    Also, there's enough self-loathing going around in the KotR that half of them should be Neutral on that alone.
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    what node is the best bronze rn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aozaki-desu View Post
    what node is the best bronze rn?
    40AP Lancer node if you only want bronze mats. Probably 90++ if you need anything else too, same as always.

    Quick glance at the mat drops and it's about 15 drops for the specialised nodes, but 11 for 90++ (and that gives you everything)

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    90++ it is i guess, might as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by idpersona View Post
    Remember that Fate alignments(especially for sympathetic figures)arent determined by objectivity but by however the person themselfs views their morality.
    Chaotic Evil Kiritsugu always comes to mind, as does Lawful Evil Kojiro. By Angra’s own philosophy he should theoretically be True Neutral as well but he’s in Chaotic Evil too. I didn’t know Amphibian canonized this though but I’m a fan, I was gonna throw in the evidence that Ciel in Tsuki R has “Lawful Evil (Objectively Good but she considers herself Evil)” in there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endabend View Post
    Admittedly the concept also kinda gets shaky when you have those with special alignments, like the Chaotic 'Insane' ones (which, granted, are literally only Lancelot, Heracles and Nagayoshi)... and then there's Summer too of course, but if they're Summer-themed, I guess it's whatever. I'm not sure if there's any other weird alignments like those, come to think of it.
    Nero has a “Bride” alignment for Nero Bride. Gag alignments probably shouldn’t be taken too seriously…

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    "Are you good or evil?"
    "I'm getting married."
    Quote Originally Posted by Dullahan View Post
    Some pantheons are depicted as Tamamo, while others are only potentially Tamamo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    "Are you good or evil?"
    "I'm getting married."
    Truly the most based among us

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    I know I don't have many CE boosts (I only have 2 4* and 0 5*) but the drop mat rates seem really, really bad here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endabend View Post
    Considering Kenshin and Shingen’s legendary rivalry in general, I don’t think it’s that surprising. And I doubt this is even the first instance of people shipping the two together.

    But they do have good interactions in the story proper, so that helps.
    insert that one hark a vagrant comic
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly

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    The alignment formula is clearly (3*Own view of self + 2*Objective view + Popular view)/6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirishima View Post
    The alignment formula is clearly (3*Own view of self + 2*Objective view + Popular view)/6
    Kino…

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    Also as cute as the Shingen and Kagetora ship is and while Sengoku Tsukihime does feel accurate (She became “obsessed” with him, that’s uh, quite a strong feeling), the ship will probably die come Valentines Day lol. The only romance Keikenchi is interested in writing his Ryouma and Oryou I think. Well and MC stuff of course.

    The art is very fun though, Kagetora being crazy and Shingen being a mixed between annoyed and freaked out is just fun to look at.

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    Shingen is famous for having lots of wives and male lovers, so him getting intimate with MC is actually in character. Like it or not, Kagetora is being shown to treasure both Shingen and MC for their own uniqueness, and their pairing has been popular way back in Japan, so people were prepared for it anyway.

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