Winter 2025 Anime: Things other than /strange Fake are also happening

[Rafflesiac]

A cursory glance implies it remains beloved by the (teeming?) masses.

[Comun]

There is a genuine lack of understanding of the difference between blanket and personal here.
Petri is attacking a faceless mob. Bassgs is attacking the person he's talking to.
Yet at the same Bassgs is also attacking a faceless mob ("critics") and receiving proper understanding that "critics" doesn't refer to any specific person.

All that said,

Yes.

Skill issue.

[bassgs435]

Well, no, the way I see it, you have specifically pointed me out in your posts ("You get over yourself, arrogant scum") while I did a general indictment of the Ave Mujica fanbase. Yours are much more clearly personal attacks, while my assessment is general. I understand that if you consider yourself sufficiently identified as an Ave Mujica fan, that the post would be to your disliking, but I think most people would agree that it does not give you the moral right to attack me in the ways that you have.

I probably don't have to remind you that you have repeated offenses of this exact nature. Regardless of how you feel about my take on Ave Mujica and its fanbase, the cascade of insults that followed is exactly the kind of behavior that other users have reported over and over again.

Of course, I am an administrator on this site, and we have an unofficial policy of letting users vent against us without infraction, so don't take this as an official indictment on the side of the site, but if you want my thoughts as a user, and not as an administrator, it is fairly clear to me that your behavior still shows no sign of improving. That is it to say, I would be careful.

Excuses. If you want to attack fans, don’t complain when fan attacks you. General attack is still an attack and no better than personal attack. I attack because I was attacked first. Your behavior is no better than mine. Stick to attacking the show and don’t do even general attacks against fans. All I see in your post is hypocrisy and double standards. Again, I attacked because you went after fans first

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bassgs, it is kinda telling that rather than point out things in the show you like aside from blatent yuri pandering you start immediately attacking critics, something no one here is. I assume the show is getting savaged by actual critics but flying off the handle rather than pointing out it's good aspects is just making everyone think the show is actually that bad.

Petrikow just said show and fans are both shit. No better argument than mine. Your logic is nonsense. I didn’t defend the show becaus as I said, I respect the right to trash it. If Petrikow stuck to that, it’d be fine. It’s the part where he called all fans “desperate yuributa” and insulted us that I call out. Sorry, but if attacked, I will attack back. Why are critics allowed to be utter assholes and insult, but the defense must take the insults and only defend itself by offering whatever the crutic debatebro cult considers “proper arguments”. If fans are attacked, fans have a right to strike back. Drop the double standards and stop treating critics as a protected group

[Petrikow]

Excuses. If you want to attack fans, don’t complain when fan attacks you. General attack is still an attack and no better than personal attack. I attack because I was attacked first. Your behavior is no better than mine. Stick to attacking the show and don’t do even general attacks against fans. All I see in your post is hypocrisy and double standards. Again, I attacked because you went after fans first

I mean sure, go ahead. If that's what you think is right, then so be it. I don't particularly mind being attacked, if that's what you want to do. But the way you define the rules of what's right or not is not how the rules of this site (and I would argue, the general world) are defined.

[bassgs435]

There is a genuine lack of understanding of the difference between blanket and personal here.
Petri is attacking a faceless mob. Bassgs is attacking the person he's talking to.
Yet at the same Bassgs is also attacking a faceless mob ("critics") and receiving proper understanding that "critics" doesn't refer to any specific person.

All that said,


Skill issue.

The faceless mob is still made up of individuals. An attack on a mob is still an attack on individuals. A good example is slurs and bigot speech: Just because they target faceless mobs, it doesn’t make them OK. Personal and group/blanket offenses are both equally wrong. So anyone making blanket/group insults doesn’t get to complain when they’re targeted next

[Petrikow]

A good example is slurs and bigot speech: Just because they target faceless mobs, it doesn’t make them OK. Personal and group/blanket offenses are both equally wrong. So anyone making blanket/group insults doesn’t get to complain when they’re targeted next

I hope you never try calling a black person the N-word if they insult you, for your own sake.

[bassgs435]

I mean sure, go ahead. If that's what you think is right, then so be it. I don't particularly mind being attacked, if that's what you want to do. But the way you define the rules of what's right or not is not how the rules of this site (and I would argue, the general world) are defined.

Then, the rules make no sense. But again, I’ll remind you of bigotry and hate speech: They’re both generally understood as wrong by anyone who isn’t a bigot. Even when it’s blanket/group statements (“the gays” “the trans people”) rather than personal attacks
I’d say your brand of blanket/group insult is worse because that is in part how wars and genocides and other horrors are justified by leaders (designsting the target group as an enemy/bad)

[Petrikow]

Then, the rules make no sense. But again, I’ll remind you of bigotry and hate speech: They’re both generally understood as wrong by anyone who isn’t a bigot. Even when it’s blanket/group statements (“the gays” “the trans people”) rather than personal attacks
I’d say your brand of blanket/group insult is worse because that is in part how wars and genocides and other horrors are justified by leaders (designsting the target group as an enemy/bad)

Well, I hope you realize that your brand of extreme retribution is also what caused the greatest conflict on earth.

[bassgs435]

I hope you never try calling a black person the N-word if they insult you, for your own sake.

So you understand the slur against blacks is wrong, but defend the idea that your group statement isn’t offensive. Isn’t by your own logic, the slur acceptable because group insults aren’t wrong? Isn’t your (wrong) rethoric that the black person is choosing to be offended?

[Petrikow]

So you understand the slur against blacks is wrong, but defend the idea that your group statement isn’t offensive. Isn’t by your own logic, the slur acceptable because group insults aren’t wrong? Isn’t your (wrong) rethoric that the black person is choosing to be offended?

I would argue that calling someone a "yuri buta" is about as harmless as saying that all drivers are "insane morons" when you're cycling. If you seriously want to paint me as a bigoted racist for that comment, I hope for your own sake that you're not serious.

[bassgs435]

Well, I hope you realize that your brand of extreme retribution is also what caused the greatest conflict on earth.

At the end of the day, you chose to attack a group minding their own business, who previously to this did nothing to you. I attacked someone who attacked me as part of said group. Maybe eye for an eye is wrong. But also, the only people who shoot (attack) innocents are those ready to be shot (attacked) themselves

[Petrikow]

At the end of the day, you chose to attack a group minding their own business, who previously to this did nothing to you. I attacked someone who attacked me as part of said group. Maybe eye for an eye is wrong. But also, the only people who shoot (attack) innocents are those ready to be shot (attacked) themselves

It's not even eye for an eye. Even if we accept the argument that I "shoot first" (which in and of itself, I do agree with), what you have said is extremely out of proportion of my one sentence indictment. Do you think that if you shot someone for slapping you on the cheek, that people would see you as justified?

[bassgs435]

I would argue that calling someone a "yuri buta" is about as harmless as saying that all drivers are "insane morons" when you're cycling. If you seriously want to paint me as a bigoted racist for that comment, I hope for your own sake that you're not serious.

I’m not. I’m using bigotry and racism as examples of blanket insults that are understood as wrong. Also, regardless how harmful something is: As I understand, it’s the attacked party who decides how harmful an insult is
After all, it’s not the racist and bigots who stablished the harm of their actions. We as a society decided such actions are harmful because we listened to their victims. Their targets. I obviously won’t say yuri buta is ad bad as racism or other forms of bigotry, but it’s not exactly 100% harmless

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It's not even eye for an eye. Even if we accept the argument that I "shoot first" (which in and of itself, I do agree with), what you have said is extremely out of proportion of my one sentence indictment. Do you think that if you shot someone for slapping you on the cheek, that people would see you as justified?

No. But I’m not shooting you. You wrote an attack over text and I wrote back what was appropriate to express my frustration with the attitude and attack

[Petrikow]

I’m not. I’m using bigotry and racism as examples of blanket insults that are understood as wrong.

Yes, and I was trying to illustrate that the reason people are against bigotry is not because of blanket judgments, but because of other factors rooted in the ideals of equality and fairness. I would gladly use blanket attacks to say that nazis are all idiots, and there is very little that would dissuade me from doing so out of some kind of concern that "maybe there are some nazis who would take offense and be very sad "

[bassgs435]

I already said my problem is your attack was targeting innocents. Nazis are not innocent. Liking a show you hate and finding value in it is not in any way an offense that justifies agressive statements against fans

[Petrikow]

I already said my problem is your attack was targeting innocents. Nazis are not innocent. Liking a show you hate and finding value in it is not in any way an offense that justifies agressive statements against fans

So you accept that blanket statements are okay, good. But I feel like pointing out that Ave Mujica fans have not "done nothing to me", so I don't agree with your assessment. Obviously you, in your capacity as a "Ave Mujica fan" had not done anything to me before this argument (though after it, I will admit I have lost that good will), even if you have done other things to make my life difficult in your capacity as "fan of other things". I'm sure you're a good and innocent person in your view, though.

[bassgs435]

Self defense and attacking assholes who attack me isn’t bad, actually
Regarding my past: Certain users have attacked me for defending SAO and Fire Force. Should I hold a grudge like you’re holding against me?. Again, I was happy to ignore you until you attacked fans out of nowhere
Also, if people criticize a show isn’t inherently an offense to fans. People liking and defending a show isn’t inherently an offense against critics.
so yeah, before this, I have seen no behavior from any fan that justifies your statement against them. If it’s elsewhere: Why bring it here?. In the past, I’ve been told to not become agressive here over my problems with people in other sites. Same applies here. If some Ave Mujica fans have been annoying elsewhere. This doesn’t justify your attack here.

[Petrikow]

People liking and defending a show isn’t inherently an offense against critics.

You haven't even defended the show. All you have done is get mad at me and insulted me. That is not defense. You are just an asshole who pretends to be fighting in the name of justice. This is the same as everything that has come before.

Let me ask you this, if you believe that your actions from before are justifiable, and that you have always acted on the right side, for what reason should we pretend that you will ever better yourself and thus keep you around?

[Kotonoha]

I am liking Ave Mujica (it has the right amount of stupid melodrama for me) but I didn't like Mygo and when I said that, a bunch of people acted personally disappointed in me in a way that made me feel like I had committed some horrible social faux pas by not liking an anime. Why am I getting scolded in DMs for thinking Tomori is boring. Is this what gacha waifus do to people. It's scary.

[bassgs435]

Your attack came before I said anything. My intention is not to defend the show, but to condemn said attack
Why should I stay quiet when attacked?. Again, you’re the one who attacked a group of innocents. I only attacked after you crossed the line. Again, why do you have a right to attack others and your target doesn’t? It’s only fair if both of us have the same rights: So if I don’t have the right to attack, you or others shouldn’t have that right either