I knew about how it eating stuff works, I must have totally forgotten about any speed mentioned because this is when I barely payed any attention to the numbers Nasu gave because they were often so seemingly arbitrary and contradictory at times. Oh how little I knew people would care about them so much.Originally Posted by Cruor
Araya, what do you seek?
「アラヤ、何を求める」
------True wisdom.「――――真の叡智を」
Araya, where do you seek it?「アラヤ、何処に求める」
Only within myself.「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
Araya, what is your favorite color?「アラヤ、好きな色は？」
Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!「青、いや、オレンジイイイイイアアアっ！」
The random arbitrary numbers is the numbers we love to abuse.
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Gae Bolg has a max range of 4 or 40 man, this shit is important. Archer being aware of that max number was vaguely implied in an interview! Important!
So here's a probably stupid question:
Crane Wings Three Realms is originally 鶴翼三連.
三 is three, duh.
連 is "group", "party", "join" or "connect", according to jisho. Google also says "ream" (like paper), but that's google.
And 三連 apparently means "triplicate", "triple", etc, if I can trust google.
Either way: Where did "Three Realms" come from, then? Wouldn't it be like Triple Crane Wing or something? Did I miss some obscureNasujapanese?wordplaymeaning
Last edited by Kyte; February 12th, 2013 at 10:04 PM.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if it's actually Three Reams but someone screwed up.
Screw it, we should just call it Kakuyoku Sanren.
Porting this over from the GB thread in the Fanfics forum, 'cause about three posts told the fellow who started the topic to take it to questions. Conveniently, I didn't come by until later, so I can just look stupid from the content of my post instead of the placement!
So is Crane Wing Three Realms actually Archer's "trump card" technique (I assume UBW doesn't count as that since it isn't actually an attack of any sort) given that it's really just "cleverly use my default weapon's natural properties and the fact I can project a bunch of 'em"?
Come to think of it, does that mean if Gil fired anything other than Ea ("This mongrel planet is unworthy to hold me within its gravitational pull!"), then the above-referenced "weaksauce" effect would apply? Whereas if the same weapon was used by the hero it was actually associated with (say, Saber with Excalibur) the counterattack-that-hits-first would be jacked beyond measure.
Further fragging Fragarach fixations*:
Would it work on Gae Bolg, since Gae Bolg is already screwing with causality?
What if an opponent's "trump card" is actually something defensive or a stat buff? Would Frag.'s instant-kill effect just default to whatever their strongest attack happens to be, even if it's not a NP or anything particularly special?
Does it work on area-effect attacks if Frag.'s holder isn't a target of the attack, but just someone standing in the area of effect. ("Bazett is walking through the park one day when a tree decides to offer a series of insults to Saber's lineage, wardrobe choices, and taste in romantic partners. Saber pulls out Excalibur and unloads on the tree (and everything else that happens nearby). Can Bazett whip out Fragarach and defend the squirrels?")
*I'm weak today; can't think up a synonym for "question" that starts with F.
For what it's worth, it's debateable whether or not a person only has one trump card, pretty sure Nasu once as an aside called broken phantasms a trump card of archer's, and as to the stat up thing, well, Bazett kills Heracles (once) by identifying the already active Godhand as a trump and killing him with fragerach.
Yes. But then Gae Bolg would hit you anyways.Would it work on Gae Bolg, since Gae Bolg is already screwing with causality?
Answers the "do defensive/buff abilities count" question (what form did the killing attack take, btw?).
Fragarach erases the activation of the trump card and rewrites it as "Fragarach was fired first".Porting this over from the GB thread in the Fanfics forum, 'cause about three posts told the fellow who started the topic to take it to questions. Conveniently, I didn't come by until later, so I can just look stupid from the content of my post instead of the placement!
So is Crane Wing Three Realms actually Archer's "trump card" technique (I assume UBW doesn't count as that since it isn't actually an attack of any sort) given that it's really just "cleverly use my default weapon's natural properties and the fact I can project a bunch of 'em"?
Come to think of it, does that mean if Gil fired anything other than Ea ("This mongrel planet is unworthy to hold me within its gravitational pull!"), then the above-referenced "weaksauce" effect would apply? Whereas if the same weapon was used by the hero it was actually associated with (say, Saber with Excalibur) the counterattack-that-hits-first would be jacked beyond measure.
Further fragging Fragarach fixations*:
Would it work on Gae Bolg, since Gae Bolg is already screwing with causality?
What if an opponent's "trump card" is actually something defensive or a stat buff? Would Frag.'s instant-kill effect just default to whatever their strongest attack happens to be, even if it's not a NP or anything particularly special?
Does it work on area-effect attacks if Frag.'s holder isn't a target of the attack, but just someone standing in the area of effect. ("Bazett is walking through the park one day when a tree decides to offer a series of insults to Saber's lineage, wardrobe choices, and taste in romantic partners. Saber pulls out Excalibur and unloads on the tree (and everything else that happens nearby). Can Bazett whip out Fragarach and defend the squirrels?")
*I'm weak today; can't think up a synonym for "question" that starts with F.
Activation -> Process -> Hit
By erasing the activation of a trump card, you also erase the hit because of the law of causality.
Unfortunately against Gae Bolg, causality is reversed.
Activation <- (insert random potentially nonsensical process here by Gaia) <- Hit
The activation of Gae Bolg can occur because you are already fated to be hit. Erasing the activation does not affect the hit at all, so you get impaled anyways.
Bazett's Fragarach's concept cannot trump Gae Bolg yet. You may need to call out Lugh.
Really your questions can be answered by "Fragarach works against everything if it is a trump card (if its concept is superior), and you get the weak bolt if the target is not a trump card".
All you need to decide is "is X a trump card".
Last edited by food; February 13th, 2013 at 12:38 AM.
It's "Crane Wing Triple Strike".
三連 means 三連撃 (three consecutive strikes) or whatever other equivalent, e.g. cut, slash, etc. It has nothing to do with stacks of paper.
Oh, man, you ruined it, I was typing up a big thing about how "three reams" equals 3000 sheets of paper, and that it connects back to the ancient Japanese legend about how folding a thousand paper cranes will grant you a single wish. It was going to be wonderful.
Isn't a ream 500 pieces of paper? Wouldn't that mean 1500 pieces of paper, so only 1 1/2 wishes? Archer can't even dual-wield wishes?
Localizationing stuff
Somebody better tell Japan, I guess.
So, EMIYA would be like, "If I were from another country, this'd be half as effective"?
Localizationing stuff
Remember guys, if you use Fragarach on Gae Bolg in Fate/Unlimited Codes, there's a reason why you get the double hit goodness on each other.
Figures. So artistic license with the "Three Realms" thing?
This is the BL quality I've come to expect. :V
Thank you! Surprisingly (or perhaps not surprisingly) that makes complete sense.
Is that "decide" in the sense of "Fragarach's user's perceptions of what's happening" or "narrative wank by the guy writing the story"? =D Watsonian or Doylist here?All you need to decide is "is X a trump card".
This one I'm hijacking for my sig!
Last edited by DezoPenguin; February 13th, 2013 at 11:51 AM.
Trump Card=Noble Phantasm 95-100% of the time; basically anything meant to be an ace in the hole will trigger Fragarach. However, something like Caster's Beamspam won't because it's not a trump card but just her own abilities.
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