Probably, yeah, but it seemed like it all flowed somewhat naturally from LLL bringing up Moses.Originally Posted by AAM1232
Probably, yeah, but it seemed like it all flowed somewhat naturally from LLL bringing up Moses.
Troy is tame, but what truly came to mind for me are horrid attempts at historical fiction of Hindu epics you sometimes see sold in India. I may not live there, but I have seen enough examples and even read a few. Those honestly take the cake.
I feel determinism is a pretty unpopular opinion, though I guess it is neither related to TM nor held by many people around these parts.
Assuming you're speaking of the Midian war, then I mean okay, but that was dealing with the aftermath of a war of nation against nation. Not exactly what I'd call terrorism.
If you're just trying to argue that Moses was a bad dude, then okay, but that's a different discussion altogether. I think you would find his behaviour was not all that different from standard practices of warfare at the time, aside from the execution of the women, which is a itself a bit more understandable when you realize that the whole point of the war against the Midianites was seeking revenge for the cultural war the women of Midian were waging against Israel.
If you want to take a four thousand or whatever year old story, filtered through multiple translations, at exact literal face value and nothing more, then sure.This doesn't hold when the book tells us that God punishes the Egyptians for the refusal, not because of bad treatment of the Israelites. The refusal was because his heart was hardened. The writers apparently didn't see anything wrong with this.
I don't really get what you mean here. Abrahamic religions make up a massive amount of the population of the world (according to Pew Research, roughly 2.1 billion Christians, 1.8 billion Muslims, and somewhere around 2~4 million Orthodox Jews?) and I don't think it has anything to do with their willingness to kill people or not. I want to assume you meant that they are growing only when they kill people who don't believe, but that just seems patently false by all the data I can find.This is why the Abrahamic religions are dying unless you live in a community where the believers won't kill non-believers. The bible is contradictory. God is just, but he'll take away your free will at the drop of the hat, and he'll punish you for the actions you took while under his control. This isn't limited to Ozy. Prophets are also an example. God's quoted as saying roughly "If a prophet makes a false prophecy, I tricked him. Kill him."
And this is only a contradiction in the Bible if you believe in Determinism, which as I said in that quote, is a very minority position. The Pharaoh had a long list of offences worth punishing, even just in his dealing with the plagues, that all occurred before 'God hardened his heart.' And the verse about God 'tricking prophets' is explicitly about false prophets, those who give prophecies to people who God has explicitly instructed them not to, as they are people who have turned away from God, and the act of giving them prophecy is aiding and abetting their apostasy.
I wouldn't argue with that assessment necessarily. As Royd said, I do believe there is some room where Predestination and Free Will can coincide, but I was more talking about modern theology. I'm not that well versed in it, but I can't think of anyone who would seriously consider Determinism as a legitimate doctrine, scholarly or otherwise, that is alive today.
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This might be a pretty unpopular opinion, but I don't like how Nasu explained Western European Pleistocene megafauna as painted in the Altamira cave paintings as corrupted minions of Sefar. I mean, it totally demeans the fact that they in fact existed IRL and the sheer biological marvels they were. That's just me, and Pleistocene megafauna have captured my imagination from when I was a small child.
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I do admit I'm not super well-versed in modern Christian theology either, and most of my knowledge is of medieval and Reformation-era theology/intellectual history.
Yeah I agree, its one thing to say X god got curbstomped, its another thing to say Y marvelous creature is just due to sefar. (btw fav megafauna?)
If I had to add my own opinion, I'm not sure how I feel about this whole divine spirit vs god divide, It comes off as a retcon so nasu and co can do more powercreep/further the stupid fucking sefar narrative.
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What divide? What retcon?
I liked it up until it completely derailed into standard Hollywood crap, with Agamemnom becoming a moustache-twirling villain and Achilles suddenly becoming a good boy by the power of Briseis' vagina.
Basically over the last few years the divine between divine spirit and god, This ties into my distaste of sefar lore as well.
I liked divine spirit as it felt like a way magi would try and categorize how different each myth was with there worldview, plus the divide feels like it's for powercreeping mostly, lb5.2 for example
Favorite megafauna is probably either the woolly mammoth, of course, or the Irish elk, oddly enough.
Do dinosaurs count as megafauna? If not, my favourite is probably the megalodon.
I was referring to Pleistocene megafauna specifically, but yes, most dinosaurs would count as megafauna. Heck, even humans count.
Aren't a lot of dinosaur fossils actually dragon remains that got "retconned" during the transition between the Age of the Gods and the Age of Man?
Dinosaurs and other Mesozoic reptiles definitely existed in TM. Look at Quetzalcoatl and the Quetzalcoatlus.
How is this a retcon? Two separate categories of existences hardly qualifies as a retcon. And Divine Spirits are pretty much explained in one way as shadows of their former selves (Gods), so the power levels aren't exactly going to be the same. I don't get this vague "opinion" at all.
Yeah but we were given no indication there was any difference between gods and DS until what? 2015? maybe later honestly, it was around extella.
And as I said this is partially due to my disdain for sefar in general
Did we really ever know much of anything about gods prior to 2015? I don't really think so.
Bits and pieces mostly, but again as I said part of this comes from the immature/dumb area of 'I hate sefar and any lore to do with it'
*Humans* count as megafauna?!
Anyway, if we're counting dinos, the T-Rex wins, obviously. It's not even a contest. :-P
The megalodon is still a close second, though!
Remember humans are on the higher end compared to most mammals
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