Create-A-Servant 3

**RoydGolden** · January 2nd, 2021, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Criarino

Beast Watt: That's really awesome! I'm really glad my ideas helped to create such a great sheet. You did a great job fleshing out my initial ideas (when reading some parts I was like "woooo that's cool, it's almost like how I imagined it!") even the parts that I was having trouble with.
The way you implemented the skills was absolutelly perfect, especially the nega skill.
Of course I couldn't help but compare some details to the story I had first imagined, so here are some comparations if you are curious (these are in no way critics, just pointing some differences in our takes):

-First of all, Cailleach's appearence. IIRC, 'Cailleach' means literally "old hag" so I imagined her like this, a old woman, contrary to how you described her appearence.
-Cailleach's name. Scotish mythology is a convoluted thing, and as such there are many different names for the deities. Cailleach is only one of those names, and isn't even widelly accepted. I would put some references to her other names, like "Humans know me by Cailleach Bhéara, A' Chailleach Bheurrach, Digdi, Milucra, or simply Cailleach" or some other crazy shit like many voices saying the different names at the same time
-You choose more the "progress" part of the factory, in my mind, I went more with the "consumption" part, as in his "hunger" was so much that even his own ideals were consumed, he himself was also assimilated as part of the machine, leaving only ghosts, echoes of his old ideals. The madness was the key part of my idea. He was already kinda mad when meeting Cailleach for the second time, so much so that even the godess was afraid of him and cried in terror while she was devoured(like Aldrich from DS3), her curse simply made it more apparent afterwards.
-The NP is similar, but also different. I imagined something like his whole factory is already inside him (like a reality marble), while his body itself is no more than a lifeless husk, as the factory consumed all it had in him. The NP would manifest as "tentacles" controling the dead body as a puppet, and reaching out grabing and consuming everything like a steampunk Lovecraftian horror. I even thought of using distortion effects (like that one Armstrong sheet) and may other things to make it truly convey the feeling of madness.

Glad you liked my sheet. I'm proud to hear that given it was of course inspired by your initial idea. For Cailleach, I knew she's usually depicted as a fearsome hag but she was sometimes said to take the form of a young woman too, and given she was trying to sweet-talk the young James into contracting with her I thought it'd make more sense she'd appear in a less "scary" form. I did describe her distorting into the more traditional hag form at the end when she's not bothering to keep up an act any longer. Your body-horroresque take on his NP (a Reality Marble hollowing out his own body) sounds cool, but for me it probably would've been overdoing it given I already fused him with his most famous creation the Watt Engine. Interesting to hear our different angles in any case.

**RoydGolden** · January 3rd, 2021, 08:08 PM

Servant Rider Lily:

Appearance:

True Name: James Watt

Alignment: Neutral Good

Alternate Classes: Caster, Beast

Strength- E
Agility- D
Endurance- D-
Mana- E
Luck- C++
NP- D++

Personality

A somewhat timid and introspective child, totally unlike the boisterous figure of his adult self. His sicknesses make Rider disarmingly frank about the reality of death, both his own and others. Rider fully accepts that he's a fleeting existence fated to someday disappear from this world, and merely strives to live as best he can before that end comes. He hesitates to form close bonds with others, for fear of leaving them behind when he dies.

Rider enjoys fresh air and the outdoors, being nostalgic for the sprawling fields and hills of his beloved Scotland. However his frail body means he can't spend as much time in them as he'd like, resulting in some mixed feelings. Other than that he mainly favors intellectual hobbies like reading and tinkering with machines.

Speaking of machines, when it comes to them Rider's initial shyness is totally blown away and he shows a fragment of his more energetic persona as an adult. He's a full-blown "machine otaku" who loves everything to do with machines, especially steam-powered ones. When Rider encounters a new machine he'll drop everything to excitedly inquire how it works and won't be satisfied until he receives an answer. Needless to say, in modern times where machines are commonplace he'd be virtually like a kid in a candy store.

Rider dreams of creating his own machines, ones that will change the world and make people's lives better, but as of yet he isn't entirely sure how to go about doing that. Summoned in the present era, he ignites an interest in mecha anime and manga, and will likely try to tailor some of his inventions after the figures from such stories. Rider even becomes fond of reciting lines from them, like shouting "my drill will be the drill that pierces the heavens!" during battle. Surprising maturity aside, he is still a kid after all.

Rider is also passionate about Scottish mythology. He'd be overjoyed to meet other Heroic Spirits from his homeland in the Grail War. As someone who had a close relationship with his mother in life, who often tutored and let him stay home from school when his illnesses acted up, Rider would get along well with Masters who have motherly and big sister-type personalities. Even if he's a little embarrassed at being "babied" openly.

Rider's wish on the Holy Grail is to be cured of his ill health and incarnate anew in the World so he may dedicate himself fully to his inventions.

Likes: scenic countryside, Scottish mythology, tinkering with machines, a kind mother figure, mecha anime/manga
Dislikes: his weak health, being scolded for "idleness" when he's actually thinking about machines, unsatisfying answers
Talent: invention
Natural Enemy: Tiamat, his Beast self

Class Skills:

Riding- E++
The ability to ride animals and handle vehicles. A frail child who had no experience riding anything in life, Watt is afforded only a paltry rank in this Skill by virtue of his Class. However when operating any form of steam-powered vehicle, his prowess unexpectedly surges to that of an A-rank. This is because what he actually "rides" isn't any particular mount but "mankind's progress towards the shining future" itself.

Magic Resistance- E+
Confers protection against magical effects. At this rank, it doesn't negate magic at all but merely reduces the damage somewhat. Rider's contribution to the Industrial Revolution heralded a large-scale erosion in mystery as mankind invested their faith in technology instead of the arcane, normally giving him a somewhat higher rank. However, this incarnation of Rider has yet to witness those results bear fruit yet. As such he only obtains a measly shred of resistance through his spiritual container. Due to his familiarity with it, this Skill gains a + modifier while defending against forms of Magecraft from Rider's native Scotland.

Personal Skills:

Ear For Folklores- C+
A variant of the Eye For Art Skill that indicates one's fascination with various myths and legends. In Rider's case it's his native Scottish mythology, which infatuated him ever since childhood. As a boy Rider largely ignored studying history or classics, but eagerly immersed himself in the legends of his home country.

Upon witnessing Heroic Spirits or Noble Phantasms rooted in his birthplace's mythos and culture-sphere, Rider has a high chance of intuiting their true name.

Conceptual Improvement- D+
The special right and unfair advantage of improving any tool, from any time or place. A sword becomes sharper, a bow becomes stronger, an axe becomes heavier, etc. While this version of Rider has yet to perform the innovation he's most famous for, he possesses this Skill thanks to the anecdote where he was inspired to create his titular engine by watching the rising steam in a kettle when he was a child.

Even lacking the formal skill of his later years Rider's eyes are constantly darting, taking in every detail of his surroundings and zeroing in on any potential spots for improvement. Upon encountering a machine he's never seen before it would take Rider a few hours of study to fully understand it and a day to produce a model prototype in a superior form.

Truly a natural-born prodigy, who excels at taking the inventions of others and catapulting them to their fullest potential.

Weak Constitution- C
Connotes a weakness struck from the nature of ill health. A case where the perceptions of people in the future affect the existence of the Heroic Spirit, akin to the Innocent Monster Skill. Provides a modest chance of a sudden drop to Rider's physical stats during any strenuous action.

Rider was a notoriously frail and sickly child in his early life, whose frequent illnesses left him often confined indoors. Instead of cursing that fate, he took the opportunity to bury himself in studying his beloved machines, though Rider still sometimes missed the idyllic fields and mountains around his childhood home.

Dream Of The Stars- D
An adolescent form of the Pioneer Of The Stars Skill, given to one who will someday become a turning point in human history. Later in life Rider's research will revolutionize the field of steam-power, but right now that future exists only as a "possibility" for him, a distant glimmer in the horizon he's yet to reach. He is but an innocent young boy tinkering with machines, heedless of any consequences for good or ill. As a foretelling of his future discovery, Rider's Luck stat is significantly boosted while undertaking tasks deemed "outrageous" or "impossible".

Noble Phantasm

Watt Engine Proto

Foreshadowing Of Future Genius

Rank: D++

Type: Undefined

According to a certain legend of Rider's childhood, he would often sit and observe a kettle boiling over, the steam pushing up the lid as it rose. This allegedly inspired his insight into the concept of latent heat and subsequent invention of the titular Watt Engine, a revolutionary new motor that came to define the course of human history. The exact details of this story are disputed, and it's sometimes written off as a mere forgery created to exemplify Rider's genius in an easily digestible form, akin to the fable of Newton's Apple. Nevertheless it's undoubted that Rider tinkered with steam on numerous occasions in his youth, and that curiosity drove his discoveries later in life.

That fact- along with Rider's peculiar summoning in his younger state- is enough to sublimate this anecdote to the level of his Noble Phantasm. It takes the form of a small tank Rider can summon that resembles a teakettle with treads attached, and various whirring gears affixed all along the surface, giving it a gaudy steampunk appearance. Rather than the true Watt Engine he created later in life, this Noble Phantasm is the prototype that dwelt in Rider's own imagination. A "fantasy-engine" born from that child's innocent infatuation with the concept of steam-power, fittingly given form through a Servant who exists as the embodiment of youthful "dreams" and "potential".

Rider can pilot the "kettle-tank" either from within a small hatch or command it remotely via thought alone. Its primary forms of attack are ramming into enemies, though this is rather clumsy and can easily result in the tank simply flipping over instead, and by spraying jets of scalding-hot steam. On its own this is actually a rather weak Noble Phantasm, closer to an overgrown children's toy than a proper weapon, though Rider can put it to work defending himself in a pinch. However this Noble Phantasm's true power lies in its status as a symbol of Rider's future innovations.

What began as a young boy's mere flight of fancy, sprouted into a grand engine that propelled the entire Industrial Revolution from its infancy. As such this Noble Phantasm crystallizes the concept of "limitless growth" itself. Unlike most Noble Phantasms, which encapsulate the Servant's "pinnacle legend", Watt Engine Proto is the product of Rider's "incomplete potential"- yet to fully realize and thus able to take any shape he envisions. As such Rider can use his Conceptual Improvement Skill to modify this Noble Phantasm, adding new features and weapons that strike his inspiration. For instance, missiles, rocket-boosted treads, flight-capability, etc. Rider is a voracious quick learner and will likely adapt this Noble Phantasm to match the technology level of the era he's summoned into.

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So now that I've done a regular Watt and a super-edgy Beast version of him I decided to write a Lily one as well. Child Da Vinci's Dream Of The Stars Skill was super fitting for him, and partially helped inspire this sheet. As usual comments and critiques would be appreciated. Thanks for reading!

**Lambda-Nu** · January 4th, 2021, 12:37 AM

Alright, it's that time once again; the next 50-page milestone. Let me know if there's any errors that need to be fixed. Within the next few days, I'll post my top 10 favorites of this milestone as a way of making up for my absence.

Pages 50 to 100

Edit: Also, thank you to DelRey for helping me get this ready before I posted it.

**RoydGolden** · January 4th, 2021, 01:43 AM

Rider "John" Watt should really be James. Other than that I can't find any errors. Congrats on all your hard work Lambda!

**Vance** · January 4th, 2021, 02:38 AM

True Name: Jean de L'Ours
Class: Rider
Alt. Class: Lancer, Berserker
Alignment: Neutral Good
Source: French Folklore
Armament: Cane Staff
Region: France

Parameters:
Strength: B+
Endurance: B+
Agility: B
Mana: C
Luck: C

Class Skills

Personal Skills

Noble Phantasms

Personality

Creator's Note: Been keeping this shelved under my other sheets. It was a bit troubling just simple this character is but making a sheet was a bit lengthy in the time it took.

**Tabris** · January 4th, 2021, 04:59 AM

... another Servant sheet, another dead end.

A question to those technically inclined: can a Berserker invoke a Reality Marble, or something resembling one, like Ramesseum Tentyris or even something relatively simple(?) like Nero's Domus Aurea? Or would a sufficiently high Madness Enhancement get in the way, due to the invoker's reason and speech being turned to mush?

(Of course there's FGO's millions of workarounds around Herakles-type Madness Enhancement for story purposes (I remember those Lu Bu and Darius interludes and they were... ugh...), but if you're not so lucky, what then?

**AAM1232** · January 4th, 2021, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Tabris

... another Servant sheet, another dead end.

A question to those technically inclined: can a Berserker invoke a Reality Marble, or something resembling one, like Ramesseum Tentyris or even something relatively simple(?) like Nero's Domus Aurea? Or would a sufficiently high Madness Enhancement get in the way, due to the invoker's reason and speech being turned to mush?

(Of course there's FGO's millions of workarounds around Herakles-type Madness Enhancement for story purposes (I remember those Lu Bu and Darius interludes and they were... ugh...), but if you're not so lucky, what then?

Asterios and his Labyrinth.

**Justiciar Hux** · January 4th, 2021, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Tabris

A question to those technically inclined: can a Berserker invoke a Reality Marble, or something resembling one, like Ramesseum Tentyris or even something relatively simple(?) like Nero's Domus Aurea? Or would a sufficiently high Madness Enhancement get in the way, due to the invoker's reason and speech being turned to mush?

It depends on the rank of Mad Enhancement, and how it meshes with the character.
Normally, Mad Enhancement robs you of increasingly high amounts of your sanity, to the extent that B-rank or higher renders you an incoherent mess (or renders you Kingprotea). Asterios manages to get away with coherent speech because he was born a monster, he was, in a human sense, "insane" from the very start, so it's normal for him.
Essentially, a high rank of it without special cases will make Reality Marbles unusable because all sense of reasoning is disintegrated.
If the case is special, then it's anyone's game.

**RoydGolden** · January 4th, 2021, 12:27 PM

There's also the possibility that even if he can't invoke it on his own, he can be "coaxed" to by use of a Command Seal, sorta' like I used for my Percy Fawcett.

**Cursed by Fortuna** · January 4th, 2021, 08:28 PM

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**AAM1232** · January 4th, 2021, 08:32 PM

Why do people go into hypotheticals when you have an actual example of Asterios that you can find in FGO Mats 2? Seriously, it's not that hard to find.

Originally Posted by Asterios Mats from FGO Mats 2 by Clyton

Khaos Labyrinthos: The Eternally Unchanging Labyrinth
Rank: EX
Classification: Labyrinth Noble Phantasm
Range: 0
Maximum Number of Targets: 14 people

Khaos Labyrinthos (Chaos Labyrinth). The materialization of the Labyrinth where Asterios was confined in. A Great Magecraft exceedingly similar to a Reality Marble, it was created in the Underside of the World. Asterios merely has to reminiscence “the place he once lived in”, and once it manifests after, it takes form with a difficulty level that complies with the popularity of the concept called the “Labyrinth”.

After it manifests, it will not disappear unless either Asterios is defeated or Asterios has annihilated his opponents. Even once it disappears, it is possible to rebuild it again when some time passes. However, in doing so, if it is not a labyrinth different from the previous installment, one can probably just downright walk out of it there and then. Because once the labyrinth is solved, it is no longer something where one can lose their way from.

**AAM1232** · January 4th, 2021, 08:32 PM

As a side note, Reality Marbles are not made from distorted mindsets or whatever nonsense you're saying. They're just magecraft gained by aping the Common Senses of devils and how they work.

**Cursed by Fortuna** · January 4th, 2021, 09:29 PM

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**Lambda-Nu** · January 4th, 2021, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Cursed by Fortuna

Okay to dencostruct all this mess.
5) Final point here. I want to reach out to Royd and DelRay and King of Pandoru with a question. Does the website have ways to Ban people from a thread? Because if I recall this is not the first time this guy has gone and done something like this, I recall distinctly he may have been the one who had started a whole mess about the whole Daemons naming convention and has generally been in my perception both rude and has overall I feel made this community not as hospitable as it could be to new people.

One of the things I personally love about this thread is both the creativity, the sense of being able to spread your creations for others to see and judge, and to see new people find and sometimes fall in love with the Type-Moon Franchise. As of late some talented new people like King of Braves and Tabris among others have made some very high quality servant sheets and I feel happy seeing other people be able to participate in the community and seeing other new talented creators join. Consequently I am unsure if people who would drive off new voices by means of look down on them for not having an encyclopedic knowledge of the franchise like they do and are very rude towards others for using a term that they don't feel is accurate (which fair enough if you don't but don't mean about it), should be welcome on a thread like this as I am uncertain on what positive influence they can offer compared to the negative environment they cultivate.

To be honest, I agree with you on this. He was the one who started that mess with Daemons' naming convention and, to be honest, he's overall a rude, condescending, elitist prick. If it is possible for a user to be banned from a thread, I second this motion.

**kiwi** · January 4th, 2021, 10:11 PM

i really did only one servant these last fifty pages eh? wild

**Skull** · January 4th, 2021, 10:18 PM

Only two from me...disappointing.

**Tabris** · January 4th, 2021, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by AAM1232

Why do people go into hypotheticals when you have an actual example of Asterios that you can find in FGO Mats 2? Seriously, it's not that hard to find.

I thought of Asterios' circumstances, but as others have pointed out, Asterios is a half-human and half-bull who lived out his days as a monster, though not otherwise hostile to humanity, whereas the Berserker I'm making a sheet for was once a human with a very human mindset whose ideals (namely, unchallenged exercise of power over a land of peace) he could not realize in life due to a capricious and contradictory personality who demanded much and gave not even acknowledgment in return.

Furthermore, the (pseudo-)Reality Marble I've been trying to get a hold of would require a lot more moving parts than the mere walls of a labyrinth with just Asterios in it; before I had to start over from scratch due to the absurdity of a thoroughly maddened Servant having the wits to maintain it at all, I had in mind something like Ozy's Tentyris, Nightingale Pledge (not a Reality Marble, admittedly, but its use as a zone of enforced peace I had to crib a bit), and the Neverland NP from the Caster Peter Pan sheet posted earlier in this thread mixed together.

So my apologies, then, for not stating in full the fruits (or the fruitlessness, rather, if you care to twist it in) of my research, I guess?

**AAM1232** · January 4th, 2021, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Cursed by Fortuna

SNIP

1) Shouldn't you at least point them to actual sources for them to read? Creative help can come later once Tabris has an idea of how Nasu and co have tackled this idea.

2) Asterios has a Great Magecraft that is close to a Reality Marble, you would know this if you had read what I posted. Something Tabris asked for in his question.

3) You can Google this, something that really isn't as confusing as you make it out to be. Or at the very least use my first post and look it up.

4) Shirou gets a boost because of his Origin and Alignment both being Sword, as stated in Theory of Magic. That is why he has the base for UBW, which still takes him roughly 20 years to manifest without any Archer help. TM Wiki is not a great place to go for this considering the flawed nature of combining actual statements with headcanon in its explanations of certain terms. You're better off using TMDict or such sources listed in the citations rather than what they write. This was just recently brought up in the Questions thread at around page 7460 to 7461 where RMs were briefly discussed.

5) How is it condescending to want people to look things up when answering a query or clarifying details? Especially given the pervasive nature of certain fanon like Daemons that are fundamentally flawed yet still keep being brought up as if they were legitimate.

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Originally Posted by Tabris

I thought of Asterios' circumstances, but as others have pointed out, Asterios is a half-human and half-bull who lived out his days as a monster, though not otherwise hostile to humanity, whereas the Berserker I'm making a sheet for was once a human with a very human mindset whose ideals (namely, unchallenged exercise of power over a land of peace) he could not realize in life due to a capricious and contradictory personality who demanded much and gave not even acknowledgment in return.

Furthermore, the (pseudo-)Reality Marble I've been trying to get a hold of would require a lot more moving parts than the mere walls of a labyrinth with just Asterios in it; before I had to start over from scratch due to the absurdity of a thoroughly maddened Servant having the wits to maintain it at all, I had in mind something like Ozy's Tentyris, Nightingale Pledge (not a Reality Marble, admittedly, but its use as a zone of enforced peace I had to crib a bit), and the Neverland NP from the Caster Peter Pan sheet posted earlier in this thread mixed together.

So my apologies, then, for not stating in full the fruits (or the fruitlessness, rather, if you care to twist it in) of my research, I guess?

I don't blame you for anything. You asked a question and I gave an answer to it, what you do with that is up to you.

Asterios uses a Great Magecraft with simple activations that then remains until certain conditions are met. He should be a fine example of what you seem to be looking for, where you can just change motivations and some of the mechanisms if you want something close to a Reality Marble. And he makes the actual Labyrinth, with the whole shebang rather than just walls. While it's not exactly that accurate, you could look up the Turas Realta manga for images as inspiration.

Fundamentally to have a Reality Marble one must become capable of expressing their inner worlds outside. So if you can figure out how your Servant does that, then it should be fine, regardless of how sane they are.

**RoydGolden** · January 4th, 2021, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Cursed by Fortuna

Final point here. I want to reach out to Royd and DelRay and King of Pandoru with a question. Does the website have ways to Ban people from a thread? Because if I recall this is not the first time this guy has gone and done something like this, I recall distinctly he may have been the one who had started a whole mess about the whole Daemons naming convention and has generally been in my perception both rude and has overall I feel made this community not as hospitable as it could be to new people.

One of the things I personally love about this thread is both the creativity, the sense of being able to spread your creations for others to see and judge, and to see new people find and sometimes fall in love with the Type-Moon Franchise. As of late some talented new people like King of Braves and Tabris among others have made some very high quality servant sheets and I feel happy seeing other people be able to participate in the community and seeing other new talented creators join. Consequently I am unsure if people who would drive off new voices by means of look down on them for not having an encyclopedic knowledge of the franchise like they do and are very rude towards others for using a term that they don't feel is accurate (which fair enough if you don't but don't mean about it), should be welcome on a thread like this as I am uncertain on what positive influence they can offer compared to the negative environment they cultivate.

Far as I know there's no way to ban people from a specific thread. And anyways AAM never really bothered me that much so I think that sort of reaction is a little overkill. Sure he was a little pedantic over the Daemon/Demon thing, but nothing that'd warrant being kicked off the thread entirely. Especially since he's actually posted Servant sheets (pretty good ones even) here in the past, so he has as much right to be here as anybody.

Also, no offense but if we're talking about rudeness, I feel like openly calling someone a negative influence and speculating if they should be banned would qualify as such. This is really the kind of thing that should be handled over PM, rather than clogging the discussion with personal bickering.

**Vance** · January 4th, 2021, 11:31 PM

I made more sheets than I expected of myself so that's enough for a pat on the back.

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