That ended up being more of a Jeanne rant lol
Thanks for your insight anyway
Not every passive should be a Class Skill Divinity is a fucking personal skill aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa fgooooooo
I think that ends up being a difference in approach to writing though because if I'd decided to out Aphoom in, I'd make it important and just make shit up if I had to.Aphoom has not much going on because she barely has anything going on. Its a 70s creation that is just Cthuga x Ithaqua. And I usually avoid recent outer gods so not diving into her more was a bit intentional as well. She was more of a tool for his ideal image to latch onto.
His personality is like Munch because the comparison is pretty accurate. Creative incel Archetype (not that I can relate, no sir~). That is why his kit is so similar too. If I had a consistent FC for Munch I would go for the meme and create the Munchface archetype lol.
The personality stuff is harder because you've already explored Munch in so many different ways, but I'd argue that just doing again with someone else, regardless of accuracy, ends up bringing the quality of the sheet down when compared to the rest of your creations. I realize this was never in question for you so that's why you didn't look for solutions, but I can't help but think that there are dozens of ways to justify someone with a very similar life to Munch getting away from it as a Servant.
Having done some research on Amakusa himself, the guy is bascially I think one of the more egregious cases of typemoon hamming a guy up like ever. The guy's wikipedia page is bascially virtually nothing and reads like "dude launched rebellion" it failed, he died, the end. Not to mention that if you wanted to claim there are no saints or saintlike figures from Japan (as Apocrypha does) that's bascially BS. Even ignoring I'm pretty sure that while not actual saints there probably are a few figures who could be argued to have saintly qualities in Japanese history, there also are a few people who could serve as bascially replacements for Amakusa in terms of "summoning saints from the Far East". Saint Francis Xavier while not Japanese, did indeed go there alongside other Asain countries to spread Christianity and is literally called "Apostle of the Indies" and "Apostle of Japan". Beyond that Saint Thomas / Thomas the Apostle also supposedly went both to China and Japan to spread Chritianity and so he would also probably work for saintlike figures in the Far East.
Olyndius would have been a more interesting Ruler as he was at least noted to "behave similar to a prophet and got some silver spear supposedly from heaven/the gods". Maybe you could do something interesteing in that Olyndicus was ordered to fight Rome by heaven, and now as the "evil" ruler servant wants to use the grail to rewrite histroy so he won thus destroying rome and ending it's influence on modern human history (seeing it as the reason he was summoned and that even after death his orders stand). This would be contrasted by Jeanne who wants to protect the present beliving that after her death her role as saint ended, and now she is just another servant of god, and thinking Olyndicus methods are too far and too destructive, or a poor interpretation of his orders. Thus his loyalty to the cause drives him to commit evil to sevre heaven while her morals drive her to stop him from doing so. Would be an interesting take on the duality of faith and the idea of religous extremism (and possibly reflect the commenatry between the church and the holy church in typemoon).
Even then I've never jived with the whole "ruler's have to be christan saints" thing, seems pretty blatantly biased to me. I think I had an apocrypha story where the ruler was someone from Christianity, but wasn't a saint, namely Jonah, and even then I think the restriction of just having them be a ruler or someone reputed to be just, fair, or unbiased would be enough. If they're meant to be judges just having moral character and neutrality should be enough to qualify.
As for the Amakusa dumping on Jeanne, it's the Apocrypha writers, they already dump on Jeanne (and a Sparatacus for that matter by making him just a dumb brute) enough by making her, someone famed as a virgin, a wifu to what has to be the most dull and generic block of wood character Typemoon has ever featured, Sieg.
I would like it if there relationship was Seig pining after Jeanne, but her only seeing him as someone to lead, protect or save spoiler here, but the whole angle of making her want a relationship with him bascially is kinda a slap in the face to her image, myth, and character (as well as the multiple epic moments she had in the season). However, in execution it's just the same junk Typemoon always does "if there is a main heroine or female they must be shipped with someone". Waver Velvet/Lord El Melloi II and Shirou is more egregious with this in terms of how often it happens, but Jeanne will always stick out as "must you make it so that every female character like ever (incluing Artemis and other characters in a committed relationship Orion or others) have to fall in love or want a relationship with someone". It's pretty demeaning and sexist to be blunt (although that's a crticism that could be launched towards Japan in general), and it's pretty sad that aside from chunnitoria/Gray, I can't think of a single female main/major heroine who hasn't been shipped or shown to want a relationship.
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Was Mordred ever shipped with anyone? Her relationship with Kairi was more father/daughter IMO. I also find it funny that you criticize Amakusa for being a too obscure Ruler but suggest Olyndicus instead who if anything is more obscure. And Amakusa is probably much more obscure in the West than Japan. Wouldn't be surprised if his Japanese wiki entry was longer.
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Not sure, I think you could maybe joke she's shipped with her "father" Artoria, but that probably is just her being a fanboy. Possibly the FGO master, but I'd need to check on that one. I suppose I should also throw the Fate Requim characters as folks who haven't definitely been shipped (although that manga is still early and based on the radio silence and delays, I wonder if it still is even alive).
My main gripe is just that it's so prevasive and sometimes pretty creepy (Lord El Melloi II being obsessed over by his students despite like being a decade older than most of them and the power dynamics of that kind of a relationship) and Primsa Illya whose characters I'm fairly sure are mostly minors.
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I mean, I totally would ship her with Arturia, but we're talking official material here and not fanfiction. For Waver, I haven't seen the novels or anime but students crushing over a hot teacher seems fairly normal and as long as he doesn't actually try to enter a relationship with any of them I wouldn't call that problematic.
I do think Amakusa is the most famous Kurishtan for the japanese tho, at least on a pop culture level.
Not counting Makai Tensho, you still have stuff like Rurouni Kenshin and Samurai Shodown either putting him in it or just someone very heavily based on him, putting him over the other christian figures of japan, at least fame-wise, so I can see him being summoned before like Konishi, Gracia, Maria and whatnot. He is also a central figure of whatever he does, unlike say Konishi who is really more of a ""secondary"" character to the Sekigahara conflict
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There's also the most important reason why Amakusa was picked over the others: his name is Shirou.
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Spoiler:
Alright, I commented on one sheet yesterday because it was everything I could read back then.
BUT NEW DAY, NEW ME. I'll try to leave some small (but full of love) comments for some other sheets too.
Frederick V: I saw this one on the GaS thread and was so thrilled to finally meet the figure! And you know what... Let it go indeed. Simple, and yet so complex. Sweet and full of charisma - it's indeed the quintessential RoydGolden's sheet. I always love what you do with these people's NPs, they're always so creative. I could never! And I like the idea of a skill that just signifies you were a good gardener one day. Very Stardew Valley of him. I love this man.
Timothy Merrick: I can only imagine his face when Master chooses Snakes of a Plane for the next movie friday.
He's very simple both in concept and in execution, but it's sometimes these unassuming ones that poses the most danger.
Judas Sicarii: CASTER JUDAS LESSGO. Oh, this man and his perfect, very clean, very pristine soul... I like him as much as the Faker one, as expected. And this Kiss of Judas skill still gives me the creeps - talk about throwing someone under the bus, indeed. Even when he doesn't want to be like that (does he even want to stop though? Here's the million question), he just... Does. It would be sad if it wasn't so amusing.
Sigbjørn Obstfelder: I literally had never heard of this man, but if your overfixation for poets and artists taught me is that I should always expect the unexpected in your sheets. Good thing I was expecting that, because this blew me away. This man gives me those Munch vibes, but in a much more... I dunno, is "plain" even the word I'm searching for? Maybe he's just not overly one-track minded for me. But that's only his personality, which is already so amazing: him as a Servant? Wow. I tried to read whatever I could about this man and I feel like only then I could appreciate him fully. I absolutely loved what you did with him.
Catherine of Aragon: Nice. Anne Boleyn takes all the spotlight always, it's good to see any other of that scumbag's poor wives to have SOME recognition. Lovely rendition of her!
Hey Ismail, I swear Imma read your Mpu Gandring asap... And your servant that made Comum react like that as well, Rey. I'm already properly scared of your shitposting capacities though.
Lancer of Rosy-Fingered Dawn:
Appearance:
True Name: Memnon
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Alternate Classes: Saber, Rider
Strength- B
Agility- B+
Endurance- C
Mana- B
Luck- C
NP- A+
Personality
Class Skills:
Magic Resistance- B
Confers protection against magical effects. Spells with a chant below three verses are cancelled, proving difficult to affect even by the likes of High Thaumaturgy or Greater Rituals. Though he wasn't described battling sorcery in life, Lancer's status as a great warrior blessed by numerous gods has afforded him a high resistance.
Personal Skills:
Divinity- A
Qualifies one's aptitude as a Divine Spirit. Son of the Titaness of the dawn Eos, Lancer would normally boast a B-rank worthy of a demigod. His rank has been further inflated due to a later tradition identifying Lancer as the father of the Norse god of thunder Thor.
Familiars (Memnonides)- C
According to legend, upon Lancer's death the gods collected all the drops of his blood that fell and formed them into a mighty river that ran red on every anniversary of his passing. Furthermore it was said that his former soldiers, overcome by grief over their commander's death, prayed to Zeus to be transformed into birds so they could watch over and guard his tomb for eternity. These combination of these concepts allows Lancer to form large jet-black birds from any of his blood that's spilt on the ground. These familiars can be sent to attack foes or merely scout out the battlefield from afar.
Affection Of The Dawn- B
Affection is from his mother, the queen of dawn Eos who nursed Lancer at her palace on Oceania and in her tears appealed to Zeus for his resurrection. When fighting in dawn-hours (that is between 4 to 6 AM) Lancer's parameters save Luck and Mana are ranked up, lasting until full sunrise.
Tireless- A+
Lancer's name means "Resolute" and in his battle with the Greek champion Achilles it was said he fought for an entire day without giving out. Akin to a lesser variant of Battle Continuation this Skill negates any deteriorations to Lancer's stamina even when fighting for hours or against cumulative opponents. The + modifier actually comes from the Volcanic Divine Core inside his armor supplying Lancer with additional magical energy, though he's unable to use its full power without invoking his second Noble Phantasm.
Noble Phantasms
So here's a remake of my old Memnon sheet. I mainly changed up his personality and NPs. As usual comments and critiques would be appreciated. Thanks for reading y'all!
Last edited by RoydGolden; March 3rd, 2024 at 08:16 PM.
thx for the comments so far. Glad you liked it. Also cant wait for your reaction WF
I perhaps ideas for sheets of this calibre...who knows.
Memnon: I think Selene, Helios and Eos are my favourite deities in the pantheon together with their parents who are my favorite titans. So seeing a sheet that tells me the story of a guy i never heard of with Eos makes me really love this one.
I dislike how these three seem to have been absorbed by TM Apollo and Artemis.
"Let's see the color of your coin, my friend."
Behold my vault of Heroes.
Where the Heavens and the Abyss breath the Music of Humanity.
The King's duty is to provide. And provide, I shall.
University of Formatting | Gallery of Potential | Memorandum of the Extra Class Kings
Our Kingdom will grow. And we shall know each citizen.
Create-a-Servant 4 soon.
kindly go jump off a cliff delrey
Ahhh~ keep it coming
Fuel me more, I galvanize your emotions into creativity and make more shitpost Grands. I have vague ideas for four more of them~
I put a cherry on top
The Game. You lost.
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"Let's see the color of your coin, my friend."
Behold my vault of Heroes.
Where the Heavens and the Abyss breath the Music of Humanity.
The King's duty is to provide. And provide, I shall.
University of Formatting | Gallery of Potential | Memorandum of the Extra Class Kings
Our Kingdom will grow. And we shall know each citizen.
Create-a-Servant 4 soon.
DelRey revealed as an Avenger-Class Servant. Negative emotions directed at the poster are instantly converted into.shitpostsstrength
When you think about it, my career here truly began after my Foreigner Hitler
Heh, and i thought only morg flourishes from stuff like that.
"Let's see the color of your coin, my friend."
Behold my vault of Heroes.
Where the Heavens and the Abyss breath the Music of Humanity.
The King's duty is to provide. And provide, I shall.
University of Formatting | Gallery of Potential | Memorandum of the Extra Class Kings
Our Kingdom will grow. And we shall know each citizen.
Create-a-Servant 4 soon.
I wonder what class i am ?
yeah that was one of the most comtroverse servants i saw but what should i say my servants are when not ignored almost always ridiculed or critized and truly praises were a rarity ( i actually starve to get ) as my servants are always top researched and respectful to the persons status ? Well i will show you some strong ones like my Grand Rider r equal strong Rider Aristoteles with a type as Mount when you remember that Little talk !? And let's see if you see the Great pieces of my Lostbelts stories no i don't spoiler .
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Dont ship me with anyone unless i say so !
When you wake a Dragon in his Lair...
I feel like saying "why are my Servants ignored?" and then "I'll show you some strong ones" is kind of missing the point when powerlevel inflation is a big part of what you've been criticized for (and I say that as someone who doesn't mind that sort of thing... most of the time).