Fate/Grand Order Story and Lore (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Leftovers]

I liked the simple days when divine spirits didn't show up and barely mattered to anything.

[Kirishima]

Don't worry, after FGO is over we will get Tsukihime Red and Mahoyo 2 and 3, no more servants and gods and bad reddit posts about FGO

[Leftovers]

Back onto all myths are real approach, I still don't get why Nasu decides to go historical facts and fantasy divide in Extella. It just feels like the good old fabrication vs real in which fabrication might not be as bad, but I just find it bullshit. Why pull this if he wants to go for all myths are real?

The fundamental dysfunction between the mutability of myth and the depiction of objective records that renders it 'historical' fact has existed at the heart of Fate from the start. Do not expect resolution.

Don't worry, after FGO is over we will get Tsukihime Red and Mahoyo 2 and 3, no more servants and gods and bad reddit posts about FGO

Careful with all that projection, Emiya-kun.

[Kirishima]

Just like his projections, if I never stop believing they will hold true and permanent.

[Kamera]

This reminds me of that certain Mongolian basket weaving site schizo poster who complains about Raikou / Ushi Gozen in every thread saying that it's Nasu's moral imperative to make them "appear properly" in FGO because the mushroom once alluded that "there's more to it" in an interview or whatever.

If anything, I think it's there's point in that TM implying that "there's more to it" about some characters in any given story is a kind of unnecessary sequel baiting unless they're willing to just dump all the info into some Material Book.

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Personally, I think this was not the case with specifically Tamamo and Nero's "they're secretly an Evil of Mankind pls tanoshimi" story lore arc. Nasu definitely had an "explanatory story" in mind when they imply that there's more to Tamamo and Nero than what appeared in Extra.

[rxrx]

Just like his projections, if I never stop believing they will hold true and permanent.

I have lots of tactless stuff to say but choose not to when it comes to this statement.

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Personally, I think this was not the case with specifically Tamamo and Nero's "they're secretly an Evil of Mankind pls tanoshimi" story lore arc. Nasu definitely had an "explanatory story" in mind when they imply that there's more to Tamamo and Nero than what appeared in Extra.

I just want the spotlight to shift to others

[Kamera]

You clearly do not understand basic storytelling and it shows. Amaterasu has a role and it was fulfilled. The point is Tamamo is related to this all powerful, evil (hence the reason why we get to know she is a beast candidate) goddess and wants to shed that part of herself behind and be her own thing, essentially. Thats why Amaterasu exists and why we got to see her in CCC, she was basically saying "I'm the part of Tamamo she is hiding, do you still want to be together with her despite it all?" and any sun divinities related lore or syncretism is to tie her together with the rest of the world. She exists out of necessity and to tie background things together, and to enhance Tamamo's backstory. Once again, you fail to see things behind surface level. There are things related to her not because Nasu wants to do anything with her, but because it was necessary in the kind of story he told for him to talk about her and her attributes.

I think the "basic storytelling" rule where the writer can just freely allude to and make a reference to anything without having to worry about clarifying or expanding it later can't really be applied to any Fate story these days. It's just a consequence of the marvel multiverse-ication of TM as a whole.

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Let's be real here, Nero and Tamamo's "hidden lore" not being "properly resolved" is a fatal curse that will haunt any Fate story for decades to come.

[Leftovers]

The only way forward is to keep rebooting Extra until they're finally done justice.

[asterism42]

Beast VI's real sin is unsatisfying payoffs

[OnesFleetingGlory]

I'll start to care again once there's more Record news.

[Nanaya]

Some things should remain as world building background lore for material books and that's it.

[Kamera]

I just want the spotlight to shift to others

Yeah, it's silly to say that the very existence of Nero and Tamamo's "unexplained lore" ultimately don't really matter or amount to much when it's been hogging all the spotlights and they both are getting all the dicksucking.

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Some things should remain as world building background lore for material books and that's it.

Agreed, this is what they should do from the very beginning with Amaterasu or Mother Harlot or whatever. Just throw them into the Material Book trash bin and never look back.

[rxrx]

Agreed, this is what they should do from the very beginning with Amaterasu or Mother Harlot or whatever.

Mother Harlot was a disappointment after all the build up. Or maybe I'm too used to SMT's.

[Kamera]

Mother Harlot was a disappointment after all the build up. Or maybe I'm too used to SMT's.

Right, I think the thought process in that one stems exactly from that unnecessary obligation to "expand the unexplained lore" that they've built up since Extra. Arcade is what happens when all these "missing bits" (Setanta, Sita, Jerusalem, Noah, Prototype, Mother Harlot, etc) are forcefully dumped into a product.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Don't worry, after FGO is over we will get Tsukihime Red and Mahoyo 2 and 3, no more servants and gods and bad reddit posts about FGO

Somehow I think gods will factor into Taukihime 2. Somehow, some way, I don't know.

[rxrx]

Right, I think the thought process in that one stems exactly from that unnecessary obligation to "expand the unexplained lore" that they've built up since Extra. Arcade is what happens when all these "missing bits" (Setanta, Sita, Jerusalem, Noah, Prototype, Mother Harlot, etc) are forcefully dumped into a product.

Arcade is the wrong platform to do this, though it serves as a good bait though

[Sssgth]

Because for some reason it’s really important that the magic went away from continental Europe when BC flipped to CE.

Again, Christ was actually born in 3 BC, and it’d be hilarious for them to make that massive a research error by just assuming. If it was caused by someone else, or by a 3-year-old toddler Jesus for whatever reason, it could be a little more interesting.

[Petrikow]

Somehow I think gods will factor into Taukihime 2. Somehow, some way, I don't know.

Crimson Moon (blessed be his name) and his (im)mortal incarnation Arcueid Brunestud are the only divine entities we in Tsukihime-land worry about.

[Nanaya]

Preach, Glory be to the Moon.

[Kamera]

At some point, when that inevitable FGO x Tsukihime crossover comes and Tsuki timeline is tethered into Fate Multiverse, CM and Arcueid will eventually be inserted into some IRL mythos.