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    Quote Originally Posted by Emiya Kurou View Post
    If you read the bible you would be surprised how much of the stuff Christians take for granted was not in the bible, but instead just made up by the church. The Deifaction of christ is one of those, so is the trinity.
    Of course, on the other hand, acting as if the Bible is the ONLY source that should be followed was made up in the 16th century by Protestants, or rather Luther in particular.

    A lot of is also stuff that is "strictly" not present in the Bible, but are rather interpretations of it. The Trinity of course is the most famous, though it is not mentioned by name, but is rather a way of interpreting the relationship between the three divines in the Bible, it has been present in Christian thinking since before the East/West split, and was made official by the then universal church (the Patriarchies) in 360 AD after having been in circulation as an idea for about 100 years.

    Edit: As Leo points out, the concept is clearly there, why is why the Trinity is such an accepted interpretation among almost all Christian denominations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firloz View Post
    E rank is ten times 'average' luck (each rank is the equivalent of ten AVERAGE people), it is not necessarily superhuman.

    My understanding is that you really don't hit 'superhuman' until at least C or greater rank (and C might be achievable through mundane means even in the modern era, though it would probably be HARD), everything below that is possible through just hard work and practice without needing any supernatural assistance.

    Luck is even weirder because you would have to calculate the total probabilities of everything going on in a person's lifetime and how likely/unlikely they are to have a positive result (bad results even when improbable are NOT going to increase luck, they will decrease it). I have no idea how much favorable luck is involved in the 'average' person's life, but a person who wins a powerball jackpot is probably in the D or better rank Luck no matter how shitty the rest of their life is because of concurrent bad luck following it, and they exist without any supernatural help (to my knowledge anyway). (I am assuming 'good fortune' to be generally synonymous with 'defying fate' for the Luck parameter, because really I don't think super-unlucky-schmuck whose fate was to be super-successful and he un-lucks himself into squalor disease and death gets a super-high Luck rank, no matter how 'fate-defying' it is).
    Can someone else spinecrush this. Its like so wrong, I wonder how he even managed to find Beasts Lair. Like everything in this wrong. I just can't be bothered to deal with this, it looks like it'd take too much effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firloz View Post
    Luck is even weirder because you would have to calculate the total probabilities of everything going on in a person's lifetime and how likely/unlikely they are to have a positive result (bad results even when improbable are NOT going to increase luck, they will decrease it). I have no idea how much favorable luck is involved in the 'average' person's life, but a person who wins a powerball jackpot is probably in the D or better rank Luck no matter how shitty the rest of their life is because of concurrent bad luck following it, and they exist without any supernatural help (to my knowledge anyway). (I am assuming 'good fortune' to be generally synonymous with 'defying fate' for the Luck parameter, because really I don't think super-unlucky-schmuck whose fate was to be super-successful and he un-lucks himself into squalor disease and death gets a super-high Luck rank, no matter how 'fate-defying' it is).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    That picture is so much better with a fish.... kinda sad and empty without one.

    Anyways, those that have been talking to me about Jesus' profile. After some thought I'll give him a Personal Skill that will grant him a Charisma-like effect when it involves his faithful and possibly another small ability. We've seen weirder skills than that in canon I suppose. I'm looking for a decent name for the skill though so I could use some help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhaosSaber View Post
    Anyways, those that have been talking to me about Jesus' profile. After some thought I'll give him a Personal Skill that will grant him a Charisma-like effect when it involves his faithful and possibly another small ability. We've seen weirder skills than that in canon I suppose. I'm looking for a decent name for the skill though so I could use some help.
    He would probably have something like

    -Inspiring Martyr: (name is meh)
    A: Due to while having not truly led people in life, rather his 'followers' are those who have dedicated to the teachings he has left behind. This gifts him with the Charisma of an equal rank when dealing with those that follow the faith spawned by his teachings, even if they have diverged greatly, as long as he remains an iconic image or person for them.

    Would be rather fitting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knick View Post
    He would probably have something like

    -Inspiring Martyr: (name is meh)
    A: Due to while having not truly led people in life, rather his 'followers' are those who have dedicated to the teachings he has left behind. This gifts him with the Charisma of an equal rank when dealing with those that follow the faith spawned by his teachings, even if they have diverged greatly, as long as he remains an iconic image or person for them.

    Would be rather fitting.
    That's actually pretty good, and better worded than I would have done it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeopardBear View Post
    13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
    14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
    15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
    16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
    17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.


    16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
    17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
    18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
    19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
    20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    C'mon, son. I barely even had to look for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow View Post
    Of course, on the other hand, acting as if the Bible is the ONLY source that should be followed was made up in the 16th century by Protestants, or rather Luther in particular.

    A lot of is also stuff that is "strictly" not present in the Bible, but are rather interpretations of it. The Trinity of course is the most famous, though it is not mentioned by name, but is rather a way of interpreting the relationship between the three divines in the Bible, it has been present in Christian thinking since before the East/West split, and was made official by the then universal church (the Patriarchies) in 360 AD after having been in circulation as an idea for about 100 years.

    Edit: As Leo points out, the concept is clearly there, why is why the Trinity is such an accepted interpretation among almost all Christian denominations.
    Also Petri.
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    Phaethon, The Falling Star of Destruction
    Rider
    Alignment: a certain inclination towards Chaotic Neutral.
    Natural Enemy: Servant Archer.

    STR: C MGI: A
    END: A LCK: E
    AGI: D NP: A++

    Background:


    Spoiler:
    Phaethon was the son of Helios, the sun-charioteer, and the nymph Clymene. One day when Phaethon was telling his companions about his divine father, the god of the sun, they laughed and talking back, they taunted him: "How do you know that Helios is really your father?”. Then the boy flushed, and went to his mother, seeking reassurance; she told him to travel all the way to the East to meet his divine parent. He travelled the whole world, until he reached the magnificent palace from where at the start of every day the sun rises.

    Here Helios kindly received and greeted his son with joy, and wishing to celebrate the occasion he decided to grant Phaethon any wish he had, swearing on the sacred river Styx.
    However, Helios’ happiness was short-lasting, for his son quickly asked permission to ride the Sun’s four-horsed chariot. Shaking his head in dismay, he regretted his rushed promise and bitterly admitted that that alone was the only wish he would never want to grant to him, because it was an attempt beyond the young man’s possibilities.
    At first he tried to dissuade the youth, describing the perils and dangers awaiting him along the solar route… but the boy was unmovable, and at the end Helios had to sadly grant what Phaethon asked. He escorted him to his chariot, and smeared a magic salve on Phaethon’s face to shield him from the blazing flames.

    As soon as he took the reins, the horses sensed the touch of an hand weaker than the usual, and went out of control. Phaethon could do nothing to restrain the divine steeds. At first, the chariot flew too high, dissolving the clouds with the heat, burning the constellations, setting the sky in chaos, scorching the vault of heaven and thus producing the Milky Way (according to one of the many versions of its creation); then it flew too low, setting ablaze the earth: the top of the mountains caught fire, forests were incinerated, the crops were scorched black, Africa became a desert, ancient springs evaporated and rivers like the Nile, the Danube and the Ganges began to dry up – Poseidon rose out of the sea and waved his trident in anger at the sun, but soon the heat became too great even for him and he dove to the bottom of the sea –, Hades and Persephone wondered what catastrophe was shaking the world, cities burned with all their ramparts, realms and nations were turned to ashes; Phaethon was helpless in containing the destruction, shaking with fear, breathing vapours that burned like furnace-blasts, feeling the chariot glowing white-hot beneath his feet, blinded by the scorching smoke and the cinders everywhere.

    At this point the scorched Gaia lifted her head, appealing to Zeus to put an end to the widespread destruction, and there was only one thing the King of the Gods could do: he struck Phaethon from the runaway chariot and from life with a lightning bolt. The chariot was thus destroyed.
    Half-consumed by the thunderbolt, Phaethon falls, now a streaming trail of light, his body ravaged by flames, steaming a nauseating stench from the smouldered body, finally plunging into the waters of the river Eridanus (the Greek name for the river Po in Northern Italy, and also one of constellations).

    Then Helios stopped the horses and brought them back to his palace. Dishevelled at the tragic fate and loss of his son, loathing himself, in his grief he even considered resigning from illuminating the world thereon, denying his duty, but was later on convinced by all the gods not to shroud the world in darkness.
    Phaethon’s sisters, the Heliadae, and their mother Clymene cried for him and mourned his tomb for a long time, until they were changed into poplar trees and their tears into golden amber. On his tomb, the Naiads Hesperiae engraved this epitaph: “Here lies Phaethon, who in the sun-god's chariot fared; great was his fall, yet did he greatly dare”.

    At this point, Phaethon was elevated to the rank of the god of the wandering star (aster planetos) Jupiter, called Aster Phaethon (Φαέθων) by the Greeks.

    Class and Personal Skills:


    Riding: A+ (A)
    It’s the expertise to ride animals and vehicles. At this level, creatures on the level of Phantasmal Beast and Divine Beast can be used as mounts. However, that does not apply to members of the Dragon Kind.

    Phaethon’s exact rank in this class is difficult to establish. While it’s true that he completely failed to control his father’s chariot and his Nature of a Tragic Hero skill hinders his abilities, it’s also a fact that the horses of Helios were Divine Beasts naturally born with the same rank of a Dragon Kind, and when banded together their power would exponentially grow, thus making them impossible to be led even by other heroes. Furthermore, after his death, Phaeton became the god of Jupiter, this time leading his own astral chariot without much trouble.

    Magic Resistance: B
    It grants protection against magical effects. At this level it cancel spells with a chant below three verses. It’s Important to note that the term "verse" refers to a set of three lines. Thus, a chant of two verses is equivalent to a Six-Line incantation. Even if targeted by High-Thaumaturgy and Greater Rituals, it is difficult for him to be affected.

    Divinity: A
    Phaethon was the son of Helios the sun-god and the Oceanid nymph Clymene. Therefore both of his parents belong to the first divine race, the race of the Titans (Helios was the son of the Titans Hyperion and Theia, while Clymene was the daughter of Oceanus and Tethys); thus Phaethon, although still mortal, was born with a high rank of Divinity. Later on, after his death, he would become the god of the star which the Greeks called Phaethon – the planet Jupiter or Saturn.
    Clymene was sometimes regarded as the personification of fame and infamy, and thus an appropriate mother for the mother of the hero who greatly dared and greatly failed. The name Phaethon means "the shining" or "radiant one," derived from the verb phaethô, "to shine", and is also one of the epithets of Helios himself.

    Nature of a Tragic Hero: A
    The essence of the hero who brought tragedy upon others and/or himself, without necessarily wishing to do so or meaning any harm. A tragic fate that leads the subject to do more harm than good, although his intentions were pure or, at least, not twisted.
    At this level, collateral damage becomes unavoidable.
    At this point the Spirit can’t be considered just an “anti-hero” anymore, but is in fact an existence closer to those of infamous monsters like the Hydra, the Gorgon or the Chimera; dangerous creatures that need to be slew by heroes and gods in order for humanity to live and prosper.

    Salve of Protection: B
    Strictly speaking, the protective effect of the magical ointment used by Helios to anoint the head of his son in order to shield him from the intense heat and blinding light that radiates from the solar steeds.
    It grants additional, although limited, protection against purely magical or prana-based, not-entirely-physical attacks.

    Clairvoyance: B+
    A skill which indicates superior visual perception. At higher ranks it is possible to acquire precognition and other forms of perception that are beyond normal eyesight (X-ray vision and the sorts). At this level, Phaethon is capable of keeping track of fast-moving objects within a range of 16 kms, thanks to the improved long-range visual acuity supported by this skill.

    In Greek culture, Helios was considered the “all-seeing eye” in the sky par excellence, Helios Panoptes ("the all-seeing"); when Aphrodite started her adulterous relationship with Ares, Helios alone discovered them and reported the infidelity of the goddess to her husband Hephaestus. As stated in the Homeryc Hymn to Demeter, he is the regarded as a watchman of both men and gods; he is the first to see all things, gazing over earth and sea. Helios as the god of sight is also the god who heals Orion’s eyes from their blindness.
    It is only natural then that in his attempt to prove himself to be a worthy son of the sun-god, Phaethon also tried to imitate this particular trait of his father. Phaethon mainly uses this ability to survey the city, flying above it in his chariot, safely beyond the range of the sixth sense of servants and their weapons.


    Noble Phantasm:


    Aster Phaethon
    Shining Star of Destruction
    Rank: A++
    Type: Anti-Army

    A magnificent four-horsed golden chariot adorned with gems driven by Phaethon in the Rider class. Not the original sun-chariot of Helios, harbinger of destruction with the boy at the reins, but a very close replica, in fact Phaethon’s very own astral chariot he drives as the god Aster Phaethon.

    Sourronded by the Sun’s flames, after his apotheosis he made those flames his own and became a star in himself, riding his own chariot, this time with success.
    The “true” Noble Phantasm can actually be considered the flames and inferno produced by the chariot, even when it’s not moving: Blazing Eridanus – Scorching Star Route, a true river of fire that consumes everything in its path, and whose name derives from the Eridanus constellation, allegedly the route in the sky taken by the runaway chariot during Phaethon’s attempt.

    It’s interesting to note that, while the Sun spends almost a month in each sign of the zodiac, similarly the planet Jupiter takes practically 12 years to orbit the Sun, spending almost an earth year (361 days) in each sign of the zodiac. Also, Jupiter is usually the fourth brightest object in the sky (after the Sun, the Moon and Venus). This is probably caused by Phaethon still trying to imitate his father the best he can.
    Furthermore, it’s interesting to note another peculiarity: some astronomers believe that this planet plays an important protecting role in using its massive gravity to capture or expel from the solar system many comets and asteroids that would otherwise threaten Earth and the inner planets, almost as if the Star that once nearly destroyed the Earth, now managed to redeem himself and become its protector.


    “A supposedly fun thing I’ll never do again.”
    Mostly because I really wanted to make a Rider Phaethon profile.
    And once again, Ovid coolly delivers.
    To be completely honest, there isn’t much basis for Phaethon to become the god of the star, aside from the homonymy… but it was too good of a chance to miss it.


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    Very nice, Sherrin! Especially the footnotes on the NP.
    And I seem to remember a debate about Phaethon and the semantics of the phrase "great was his fall, yet did he greatly dare".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycodrake View Post
    Very nice, Sherrin! Especially the footnotes on the NP.
    Thanks!

    At first it was a bit difficult: I really wanted to make him a Rider servant, but... well, his only deed was "Epic Fail". But then I did some brainstorm and research, and it was done.

    And I seem to remember a debate about Phaethon and the semantics of the phrase "great was his fall, yet did he greatly dare".
    There was one? I dunno, honestly.


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    Even when he was full on evil Kotomine still thought of himself as a Christian so he would probably still look to Jesus for some answers. I mean, the entire reason he summons AM is to find out why God would let someone like him be born. So that presupposes that he still thinks there was a purpose to his life rather than just being a random nihilist.
    He never sleeps. He never dies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seika View Post
    Yay, my memory didn't fail me on this!
    (I's back).
    Welcome back.
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    Alignment- Chaotic Neutral

    Class- Caster

    Bio- This legendary goddess of the Arctic Ocean has many names and stories attributed to her by many different peoples, but the overarching themes of her cruel treatment by others and her ensuing rage on humanity remains constant. In some stories she was an orphan, while in others she had a selfish father. Sometimes she was sold off as a wife to harsh bird men and other times the community abandoned her. In all cases, she ended up hanging desperately at the water’s edge, latching on with both hands. To get rid of her, her father or her other tormentors cut off each of her fingers until she sank to the depths below. However, each of her fingers transformed into a type of animal, and she found she could now control them. She became a deity of the frozen seas and took revenge on those who maimed her. She was often a harsh spirit who would hoard all the animals to starve tribes or wash away people in ferocious waves. However, shamans could soothe her by combing her messy hair, which she was unable to care for herself. When summoned to the Holy Grail War, she is overjoyed to be returned to her virgin state, before the tragedies that befell her and took away her fingers. However, the nature of her Noble Phantasm ensures that she is still bound to that grim fate. She is obedient to her master, but gradually builds up resentment as her fingers are one by one sacrificed for her master’s selfish ambitions. She bides her time, waiting for the moment to desert her master at his greatest time of need and show why she is feared across the Arctic Circle.


    Parameters:

    Strength (C)

    Agility (C)

    Endurance (A)

    Prana (A)

    Luck (E)

    Noble Phantasm (C)


    Skills:

    Item Construction (Class, E-)- The ability to build magical items. Caster has some degree of skill, but gradually becomes unable to use this skill as she loses her fingers.

    Territory Creation (Class, A)- The skill to build a special terrain that is advantageous to oneself as a magus. Caster’s territory is less of a human dwelling than a realm, a mix of the harsh Arctic landscape with the supernatural otherworld. She ideally constructs her realm beneath water, but her domain can be traversed like land for those with sufficient power to slip through her barriers. She sets up various traps and guards around her main hut, such as rolling stones and a fierce guard dog. Her territory is in fact a Marble Phantasm that represents her connection to the Arctic environment.

    Animal Dialogue (B)- Ability to communicate with animals unable to speak in human languages. Caster is able to converse with the various animals that she has power over.


    Noble Phantasms:

    Ten Fingers of the Frozen Seas (Anti Army, D)- This Noble Phantasm is activated by Caster again cutting off her fingers to summon her wild children. Each finger gives her access to one of the main creatures of the Arctic: seals (2 fingers), whales (2 fingers), walruses, caribou, wolves, fish, polar bears, and sea scorpions. Each group has one leader that is particularly intelligent and can use magic, reflecting the supernatural powers the Arctic people attributed to the wild beasts. Aside from those she summons, she can also command any nearby beings that fit the categories of her fingers. She can store her creatures within the drip-basin of her lamp – she can use this to trap all creatures of her domain inside.

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    Wouldn't Jesus make a better Savior (like the Fate/extra final boss) class servant? Also, doesn't his Resurrection ability basically doom his Master to be targeted as no one would bother to fight the Servant, if they know that he's going to get resurrected?

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    Clearly Jesus can resurrect his Master too.
    He never sleeps. He never dies.

    Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoliVampLover View Post
    Wouldn't Jesus make a better Savior (like the Fate/extra final boss) class servant? Also, doesn't his Resurrection ability basically doom his Master to be targeted as no one would bother to fight the Servant, if they know that he's going to get resurrected?
    I initially thought of using the Saver class, but then I figured that Ruler would allow Jesus to be the most comfortable. As any other class he would be a combatant which he would not want to do. As Ruler he can oversee the war and try to work things out so there isn't a bloodbath. We don't know anything about the Saver class except that it was Twice's Servant. That's it.

    And yes, going after Jesus' master would be the smart thing to do. Same could be said for the master of say Achilles or Heracles or Siegfried or any nigh unkillable Servant. Kill the master and the pretty much immortal thing just fades away.

    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    Clearly Jesus can resurrect his Master too.
    Depending on how overly powerful I wanted his brand of AoG magecraft to be then yeah, he might be able to. Though as I said before, this is an envisioning of Jesus if he were following Nasuverse rules(the only way he could even be considered summonable) so he likely doesn't have that kind of power, unless I wanted to give him True Magic or something.


    Also with all of the talk about my Jesus profile, anyone got any opinions on my Circe from a few pages back?
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    Well.

    The Church gets its divine power from somewhere. Maybe Christianity is real in the Nasuverse.
    He never sleeps. He never dies.

    Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.

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    God as in the Abrahamic God isn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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