If you're getting this modifier stuff from skills like Military Tactics, modifier in that sense does not mean a +.
If you're getting this modifier stuff from skills like Military Tactics, modifier in that sense does not mean a +.
A proof of concept for you guys, make of it what you will and can (if you want):
This time around Assassin’s identity is one of the arcane and greatest, ten occult No-Named masters of the Thuggee cult of death.
The Thuggee cult, arguably known in the West mostly for its portrayal in the movie Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and as the root of the English word “thug”, was an organized group of assassins that ravaged across India for hundreds of years, before being suppressed and vanquished during Britain’s imperial rule of India in 1830. Infamous for their ritualistic assassinations carried out in the name of the Hindu Goddess Kali, the term Thuggee is derived from the hindi words for “thief” and “concealment”, which hints at the nature of their killings.
The Thuggee modus operandi was to join caravans of travellers, variously disguised to the point of even using children to appear as harmless as possible and rout out doubts on their identity, only to strike when the moment was right to rob and kill the poor victims. The killing place would need to be remote from local observers and suitable to prevent escape. As such the Thugs tended to develop favored places of execution, called beles. They came to know the geography of these places well and thus they were able to anticipate the most likely escape routes and hiding-places of the quicker-witted and more determined of the travellers. The killings were usually conducted at night while the Thugs made music or noise to escape discovery, or when the travellers were busy with chores and the background cries and noise would mask any sounds of alarm, quickly dispatching the victims without leaving behind traces of blood and, successively, burial. As such, one of the preferred and most iconic killing instruments of the cult was strangulation, which lead them to be also known as Phansigars, “stranglers”. A testament t their skills and restraint in choosing the most suitable victims is the fact that they managed to avoid repercussions for such a long time, with a death toll that is difficult and debated to establish, but that can range easily from 50,000 to even 2,000,000. One gang leader Behram, considered to be the most prolific serial killer in history, declared to have been present at 931 killings in his life as a Thug.
But Assassin in this case refers to the ten greatest shadowy gang leaders across the cult history that managed to avoid any detection and capture. Everything about them is a mystery, their identities and exact number of victims.
The Thuggee traced their lineage back to the mythical battle between the goddess Kalì against the mighty asura Raktabīja, who was endowed with the ability of generating a clone of himself whenever a drop of his blood would touch the earth. As such, the demon was nigh invincible, against him no weapons were truly effective, and soon he was on the verge of overwhelming the army of the gods. That is, until the supreme goddess Durga didn’t summon the fierce and terrible goddess Kalì, who devoured Raktabīja and his duplicates in one gulp, thus preventing more blood to fall to the ground, and winning the day. It’s in this circumstances that the Thuggee claimed to have been born, created out of the water sweated by their Great Mother during the fight.
Disturbingly enough, the Thuggee believed they had a positive role, saving humans' lives. According to their lore, without the Thuggee's sacred service, Kali might destroy all of humankind.
As worthy members of the Assassin class, they all have access to the highest rank of the class skill Presence Concealment. In addition, they can be summoned with the personal skill Outmaneuver, which allows them to blindingly move behind slower targets after a successful LCK check (a skill born in action out of necessity, in case anything would go wrong when attacking, and which mitigates the problems in case Assassin’s attack is perceived too early). Other eligible skills, depending on the individual, can be Information Erasure, Weapon Concealment, Protection of the Faith and Long-Term Disguise (which can conceal the appearance of the Servant. Although not enough to impersonate other Servants like Lancelot’s For Someone’s Glory, it is nonetheless perfectly capable of sidetracking suspicion and conjectures about the nature of Assassin’s true identity).
As their unique Noble Phantasm, each one of these ten masters of assassination employs the use of one of. These are faux-divine constructs born out of devotion to the goddess, vampiric weapons that grow stronger in power the more victims they kill. They were created by the ten Jemadar, based on the instruments traditionally wielded by the ten-armed icons of Kalì-Durga. The exact nature of these weapons varies from time to time, but they are usually: Noose-Lasso, Discus-Chakram, a Snake, Dagger, Javelin, Spade, Rod, a Lotus Flower, Shield and a weapon made of Thorns. All of these weapons have a peculiar power, but all of them don’t cut flesh, but are supposed to directly target and sever the silver cords of the soul, as to avoid the blood of the enemy to spill.Tools for Perfect RitualTen Weapons of Durga
AvengerTrue Name: Satan(False)
Class: Avenger
Gender: Male
Catalyst: Black mud of Angra Mainyu
Alignment: Chaotic Evil
Stats:
STR: N/A MAN: N/A
END: N/A LCK: N/A
AGL: N/A NP: N/A
INFO: This story starts with Satan, king of hell and bane of humanity. An angel that rebelled against God and as punishment was banished from heaven. The lord of all demons and father of sin, has to this Holy Grail War to use the power of the omnipotent wish-granting called the Holy Grail to dethrone God and burn the World!! Well, thats a lie, this story starts with man a named Jonathan Adams.
Jonathan Adams is an american immigrant that has been hounded by demons all his life. He first started seeing them when he was little, when this started to have an effect on his life he was sent to a doctor and was diagnosed of having schizophrenia, which sadly wasn’t true. Seeing that no one believed him and thought that he was going crazy, that when his family was in Fuyuki City sightseeing he ran away and has been on the streets ever since. As he was taught how to speak japanese from an early age he was able to provide for himself enough to live a sustainable (though homeless) life in Fuyuki, but he was never able to get rid of the demons. One day, he bought a strange item from a street vender. A glass phial containing a pitch black substance, supposedly this phial contained the blood of an evil god that attracted the misfortunes of its owner into it like a sponge. Jonathan was so desperate to rid of his tormentors that he didn’t care if this was a hoax or not, so he bought it. Later that day, Jonathan stumbleupon on something unimaginable, he witnessed a battle between Servants. In fear, Jonathan tried to run away from the inhuman warriors he saw but that led to no avail, as it is one of the rules to eliminate witnesses one of the Servants went into pursuit. In the chase, Jonathan tripped on himself and fell, at the same time letting go him his newly purchased souvenir which broke on contact. Seeing that was going to die, he prayed at anything that hear him, begging to be spared of his life. Against all luck, something answered. The demons that have been following him for all his life took that chance, using the black mud from the form itself a body and becoming singular entity, it was able to hold back the Servant and protect the young man. After they were able to get to safety, The entity proposed a deal, that if Jonathan would help it achieve form in this World, the entity promised to help Jonathan to finally achieve peace by acquiring the Holy Grail. Jonathan agreed, and as this new being named Avenger began to take the form of a character from one of Jonathan’s favorite books, a contract was formed.
CLASS SKILLS :Independent Action: A+
Thanks to legendary pride, Avenger can remain in this world indefinitely even without a Master.
Presence Concealment: C
Avenger is able to hide his presence as a Servant, efficiency will decrease when preparing for an attack.
PERSONAL SKILLS:
Shapeshifting: A
Avenger is able to change and steal any shape he desires, but he mostly chooses forms associated with snakes.
Nature of a Rebellious Spirit : EX
Thanks to his rebellious nature, Avenger is able to negate the effects of Charisma equal to the skills rank.
Noble Phantasms:
Lies of the SerpentThe embodiment of Avenger’s trickery and rhetoric skills. Against humans this Noble Phantasm works as simple mental interference Thaumaturgy, allowing him to control them with his words. Against Servants though, that is something else entirely. To Servants, the effects of this Noble Phantasm is similar to that of the Blackening of Angra Mainyu. As long as he is in conversation with the Servant, they would gradually become corrupted. He will use his words to get into the Servants head, make them doubt themselves and their goals, slowly making them betray their beliefs and in time making turning them into pawns to serve in Avenger’s plan. A Servant must make a successful LCK check if it want to negate the Noble Phantasm’s effects, but that justs resets the corruption, allowing a chance for Avenger to try to rope in the Servant again.
Deceitful Words of the Regretful Truth
Rank: N/A
Type: Anti-Unit
PandæmoniumAvenger’s dominate Noble Phantasm and main offensive weapon, It is a powerful Reality Marble that represents Avengers inner world. As a Demon’s natural ability, Avenger is able to fully sustain his Reality Marble without spending any prana, though it is still under the corrective impulses of the World. All he has to do to activate it is recite a 10-Count aria derived from John Milton’s “Paradise Lost”(see below). The Reality Marble manifests as a great iron city under a storm-ridden black sky sitting on top of a sea of flames. The Noble Phantasm is akin to something like a Demon-mass production plant, As within it, Avenger is able to create a horde of demons to serve him. These demons come from various power levels, from small winged imps barely as strong as a human child to mighty Archdemons strong enough to face even the most powerful of Servants. Outside of the Reality Marble, Avenger is still able summon some of the Demons to this world to act as his soldiers and to act as his buffer against the stronger Servants, though he is not able to summon them as quick or as strong. Avenger will normally try not to completely manifest this Noble Phantasm unless he sees that he will be overpowered.
Infernal Throne of Fallen Grace
Rank: N/A
Type: N/A
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav’n of Hell, a Hell of Heav’n.
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less then he
Whom Thunder hath made greater? Here at least
We shall be free; th’ Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure, and in my choyce
To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav’n.
Last edited by Iceblade44; February 25th, 2015 at 12:51 AM.
Charisma is the ability to lead people like a military commander or a king, it has no relation to smooth talking.
got it, thanks for the tip.Originally Posted by Christemo
...Why does your Satan have Independent Action and Presence Concealment as Class Skills, Iceblade-sano.o? Unless the Class Container grants them, they should be filed under Personal(See Medusa, as an example), without the container boost, and the Avenger container has no Class Skills in canon.
Edit:
Ah, and, the skill you meant by Shapeshifting(変化)is Transfiguration(変容), which is the one you need to manipulate your parameters along with your form, with no base parameter given, as would Enkidu. Shapeshift is the one Nursery Rhyme has - outward appearance change with modifiers to a defined base parameter, as Nursery Rhyme's Physical parameters are reduced from D to E when they take the form a little girl.
Thus, the difference could be defined as, Shapeshifters have a basic set of abilities, while Transfigurers don't, which I gather you intended for Satan.
Last edited by Council; February 24th, 2015 at 07:02 PM.
They are a family in the end<3
I have commited a horrible crime.
; - ;
Yeah your probably right about the class skills, while I knew that the Avenger class doesn't have class skills, but you must also remember is that their is only one of the Avenger class to be reference, so i decided to follow the path of less resistance.
As for the other thing, no I purposely choose Shapeshifting to Transfiguration. The reason that Avenger doesn't have any stats is simple, he doesn't fight. Avenger relies on his summoned Demons to do his battles, while he tries to distract and confuse the Servant from afar by using Lies of the Serpent.
...Where you... ignore the rules?o.o There is more resistance there than any other path I can see._. Perhaps you are correct, since, I don't in any form understand what you intend...
Then... He doesn't engage in a direct fight, therefore, he doesn't have a body of his own?o.o You just... created a Servant who can't be killed. In Any form.As for the other thing, no I purposely choose Shapeshifting to Transfiguration. The reason that Avenger doesn't have any stats is simple, he doesn't fight. Avenger relies on his summoned Demons to do his battles, while he tries to distract and confuse the Servant from afar by using Lies of the Serpent.
I am certain you're mistaken. First, the proposition is nonsense squared. What he intends to do in the War is his business, but as long as he has a body, other Servants can come there and drive a weapon through it, and you need parameters to know how well he defends against them. Andersen doesn't fight, and he has his (awful) parameters bared.
And, should they be unable to do the above in your concept...how else are they meant to defeat him? He has A+ Independent Action. The death of his Master does nothing. The only choice you'd have is survive the war until the Lesser Grail materializes and ask it to please PLEASE open a conceptual black hole in his not-body off the record...
Last edited by Council; February 25th, 2015 at 04:26 AM.
They are a family in the end<3
I have commited a horrible crime.
; - ;
Not the dude, but i think the idea is that Satan summons demons transforms into a Snake and taunts people to death from afar, but if someone were to find that snake and kill it, Satan would also die
The lack of Stats here probably doesnt mean that he is inexisten but just how shit Satan is at everything. Just like OG Avenger
To be honest i feel like this Satan should just be summoned as an Assassin
...I understand what you say. Yes, should he have intended as you explain the sheet is more sensible.Snake and taunts people to death from afar, but if someone were to find that snake and kill it, Satan would also die
The lack of Stats here probably doesnt mean that he is inexisten but just how shit Satan is at everything. Just like OG Avenger
Nevertheless, Avenger has N/A stats since he has no body. Remember, his normal form is just a black human shaped void. The only reason he can hold objects and interact with the world is Shirou's body he inhabits - thus, Possessed!Shirou has stats. The same stats Shirou has. Somewhere around 1-3 for each. As in, below E Rank.
The snake here should have parameters for you to tell how hard they are to kill. When the Parameter is only '1', write a 1 on the sheet. Not an issue.
Last edited by Council; February 25th, 2015 at 04:40 AM.
They are a family in the end<3
I have commited a horrible crime.
; - ;
Conceptual Weapons (read: All Noble Phantasms) can injure the spirit and not just the body, so not really.
Yes, they can, of course! I meant they can't be killed since they don't have an Endurance parameter for you to know how many times/hard to hit.
Last edited by Council; February 25th, 2015 at 04:59 AM.
They are a family in the end<3
I have commited a horrible crime.
; - ;
So? It's not like END has ever been an accurate indicator for anything. Herk has A END yet takes way more damage when he is actually hit than Saber, who has C. END being N/A doesn't really change anything.
...?o.o Maybe. I had surmised the cause for the discrepancy is Saber's armor. A hit which penetrates the plate is still dampened by the additional layer. Once God Hand is bypassed with a high Rank attack, what protects Berserker is just thick skin, no?o.o And thus the high damage makes sense, since once Berserker is hit, he's hit hard.
EDIT: Also, I now realize, damage resistance has nothing to do with END>< Why would you say what you have? Endurance is how many hits you can take. You aren't bestowed any form of protection from a high Rank in END. Saber just has brains and wears more than a reinforced leather skirt to battle.
Last edited by Council; February 25th, 2015 at 05:24 AM.
They are a family in the end<3
I have commited a horrible crime.
; - ;
Endurance: How much damage one can withstand.
I was in no way implying damage resistance, I was saying that someone who has 2 ranks higher END takes way less to take down than someone with 2 ranks lower END. Or rather, that stats are meaningless because the plot will dictate who can beat what regardless of stats.
And you're saying that like Herk's skin isn't tougher than armor to begin with. It has nothing to do with brains.
Last edited by Christemo; February 25th, 2015 at 05:42 AM.
Hmm...
*searches for quote*
Yes. I concede. I hadn't realized they were a separate effect. You're most correct~The body is transformed into strong armor, and all attacks of rank B and below are nullified.
...As you wish, but then, how much do you need to hit someone who has no Endurance?o.o What Satan has is not even 0. Endurance is 'not applicable' to his existence, whatever it is.I was in no way implying damage resistance, I was saying that someone who has 2 ranks higher END takes way less to take down than someone with 2 ranks lower END.
Last edited by Council; February 25th, 2015 at 05:49 AM.
They are a family in the end<3
I have commited a horrible crime.
; - ;
Endurance is definitely applicable. Enkidu too has N/A END and he can definitely die.
The only time he's died so far is because of a divine curse. And he technically does have END. His stats are all N/A because he can alter them as he wants.
...Yes, but, that's what begun the argument in the first place;-; Satan should have Transfiguration(As Enkidu) instead of Shapeshifting(As Nursery Rhyme) to have no values defined.
Edit:Link to a previous post to avoid more mess.
Please don't quote out of context in the future... we just wasted half an hour of our lives._.
Last edited by Council; February 25th, 2015 at 06:25 AM.
They are a family in the end<3
I have commited a horrible crime.
; - ;
Not all Noble Phantasms are Conceptual Weapons. They're all spiritual constructs, but they're not all Conceptual Weapons.
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