i hate the avenger class skills
there's too many.
wait ruler has 3 as well.
eh it's okay then.
i hate the avenger class skills
there's too many.
wait ruler has 3 as well.
eh it's okay then.
Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
I don't understand why someone like Saladdin has never popped up in this thread, then I realized I can't come up with a decent idea for him myself
And dem Avenger fever, has science gone too far ?
Saladin has been done before, as one of the Hassans IIRC.
"We don't need martyrs right now. We need heroes. A hero would die for his country, but he'd much rather live for it." -Josiah Bartlet
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...Why would you make Saladin into one of the Hassans?
That's... actually a pretty cool Saladin.
Anyway, it's nice that the Avenger class is being fleshed out, I suppose, but it feels... wrong?
Like, Avenger should have either been a unique class for Angra Mainyu or only have "demonic", "false messiahs" or otherwise "apocalyptic" Heroic Spirits assigned to it, y'know?
Having the second Avenger class Servant we've ever seen be a (fictional) guy who's out for revenge feels... well, wrong.
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I made a Pandora Avenger sheet and feel that she was a perfectly suitable candidate for the class.
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Yeah, Pandora is the first person I've thought of as another Avenger. Her legend and the connotations of Pandora's Box has a lot of weight to it.
"We don't need martyrs right now. We need heroes. A hero would die for his country, but he'd much rather live for it." -Josiah Bartlet
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So what are the requirements for the Avenger class now?
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
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unknown besides desire for revenge
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Class: Rider (Additionally can be summoned as Saber or Berserker)
True Name: Roland 'The First Paladin'
Alignment: Lawful Good
Place of Origin: France
Strength- B+
Endurance- B+
Agility- B
Mana- C
Luck- C
NP- A
Height/Weight: 176cm/74kg
Likes: Dramatic feats, Storytelling
Dislikes: Critical thinking
Talent: Theatrical Heroism
Natural Enemy: Fate
Class Skills:
- Magic Resistance (B) - Cancel spells with a chant below three verses. Even if targeted by High-Thaumaturgy and Greater Rituals, it's difficult to be affected.
- Riding (A) - All creatures but those of Phantasmal Beast and Divine Beast-rank can be used as mounts. Qualifies one for the Rider Class
Personal Skills:
- Battle Continuation (A) - Makes possible to fight even with deadly injuries and can remain alive so long as one does not receive a decisive fatal wound. In Roland's final hour when he blew the Oliphant horn for backup, he blew an aneurysm in his brain. As his brain leaked out, he still held the strength to fight off an entire army.
- Charisma (C+) - The natural talent to command. Roland was the leader of Charlemagne's Paladins and as such led some of the king's army into combat and victory on multiple occasions. His radiated self confidence inspires others around him and raises morale.
- Vigilant (B) - A skill that increases Roland's perception. Here, one can maintain a constant awareness of his surroundings, removing penalties of visual and audio obstructions.
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Here's one I've been working on for a while. I understand there are five versions of him already, but I thought I'd put my own spin on him. Durandal has a canon discription so I added his horse and horn and threw him into the rider class. If Achilles can have tons of NP's shared from multiple classes, so can Roland.
He is basically my "Protagonist" servant, like Siegfried or Arturia.
Last edited by Bird of Hermes; July 11th, 2016 at 06:59 PM. Reason: Olivier and Astolfo
You told me over PM you were working on a Roland sheet so I was wondering when you were going to come out with this guy. As for my commentary...
Battle Continuation is a very fitting Skill for him, and one I had in mind when trying to come up with my own Roland sheet (couldn't think of an interesting enough take on him, though). I'd even consider giving him Guardian Knight or Dignity Of The Rearguard since his whole deal was defending the Roncevaux Pass from invaders. Admittedly the latter Skill is somewhat ill-specified in terms of effect...
As a "protagonist" type Servant he's pretty well-rounded, and has a good personality. I got a kick out of "critical thinking" being listed under Dislikes.
Interesting take on the Oliphant NP, which pretty much every Roland sheet is going to include in some shape or form. I've seen all sorts of takes on it from fairly generic army-summon to supercharged sonic blast (ala Eliza's Kilenc Sárkány). Yours is an admittedly rather novel one, and I appreciate you didn't just go with the "summons huge army and then keels over" approach.
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Also interesting that you have Roland as a "protagonist" Servant and Charlemagne as a "antagonist" Saber. Wonder what would happen if they were both summoned in the same War?
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I'm also not sure if it really makes sense for Durandal to not have any lines of death, but I don't know enough Tsuki lore to be an authoritative source on that.
I was tempted to go for Guardian Knight but he wasn't really a "guardian" but more of Charlemagne's right hand, that and his last feat of the whole "brain leak" deal made me think Battle Continuation was a necessity. I almost considered boosting endurance to A or giving him one of the Dignity of the Rearguard as well but not much info is out about it but that would put him on terms with Heracles in terms of durability which I thought was a bit much.You told me over PM you were working on a Roland sheet so I was wondering when you were going to come out with this guy. As for my commentary...
Battle Continuation is a very fitting Skill for him, and one I had in mind when trying to come up with my own Roland sheet (couldn't think of an interesting enough take on him, though). I'd even consider giving him Guardian Knight or Dignity Of The Rearguard since his whole deal was defending the Roncevaux Pass from invaders. Admittedly the latter Skill is somewhat ill-specified in terms of effect...
As a "protagonist" type Servant he's pretty well-rounded, and has a good personality. I got a kick out of "critical thinking" being listed under Dislikes.
Interesting take on the Oliphant NP, which pretty much every Roland sheet is going to include in some shape or form. I've seen all sorts of takes on it from fairly generic army-summon to supercharged sonic blast (ala Eliza's Kilenc Sárkány). Yours is an admittedly rather novel one, and I appreciate you didn't just go with the "summons huge army and then keels over" approach.
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Also interesting that you have Roland as a "protagonist" Servant and Charlemagne as a "antagonist" Saber. Wonder what would happen if they were both summoned in the same War?
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I'm also not sure if it really makes sense for Durandal to not have any lines of death, but I don't know enough Tsuki lore to be an authoritative source on that.
Oliphant was awkward to think of at first but the last thing i wanted was a pseudo-reality marble or army summoning as that has started to become somewhat commonplace, then i remembered Jeanne had a suicide attack NP and it fitted has final battle well.
Now for Roland and Charlemagne... Oh boy Roland was protecting the Franks, but Charlemagne was protecting christianity, so that is where their core differences and loyalties lie. They would initially be friendly, greeting each other as old friends but while Roland has the desire to care for his master and his own wish, Charlemagne wishes for the destruction of the grail so they would be 'friendly enemies'. As time passes, Charlemagne would become more aggressive and eventually start acting as a pupeteer, manipulating the other combatants of the war until he would attempt to kidnap/kill Roland's master. The end result would be a climactic battle between two former friends: while Roland has superior physical capabilities, Charlemagne is smarter and would use words as just an effective weapon. A huge dialogue revolving around themes of loyalty would pass which I am not a good enough creative writer to do in the evening . Eventually Roland would stand (just) victorious but with his soul scarred by the events where he would stagger off to face the final boss, use the Oliphant NP and die.
I put way to much thought into that.
Wow, it sounds like you've really got it all worked out! Are you considering making a fanfic with some of these Servants in it by any chance?
Because I feel like, for all the waiting for the avenger flood, not enough people have actually made one yet. Your self-control confuses me.
I've actually made another version elsewhere, a version that made the original avenger look like Saber in comparison, but here's the "edgy" version because why not?
Servant: Avenger
True Name: Domalde
Alignment: Neutral Evil
Strength- C
Agility- D
Endurance- C
Mana- B
Luck- E-
NP- C
Appearance: A young man. Save his bloodstained crown, the fact he has a plain sword, and red eyes he could easily be ignored in a crowd. His fair blonde hair is kept short, and his five foot eight inch body is a touch malnourished.
Personality: In a word, afraid. His attempts to hide it with a "kingly" presence are often at odds with a hesitation of his actions. He doesn't like to be blamed for anything, whether it is his fault or not, and thus tries to make sure he does it right the first time, but this can lead to being paralyzed with indecision.
On the other hand, there is a rage building inside of him. He craves the recognition of people even as deep down he wishes them ill will.
Likes: success, recognition
Dislikes: failure, people
Talent: scapegoat
Natural Enemy: stepmothers
Class Skills:
Mad Enhancement: (D)- Strength and Endurance parameters are up. Language ability is simple. Continuing complex thoughts over long periods of time are difficult. Not being a Berserker and only having been driven mad upon the end of his life, the rank is low.
Personal Skills:
Battle Continuation (B)- Can continue fighting at 100% until the accumulated damage kills him (videogame style!). In truth, more of a curse then a blessing, but a certain being in the grail may have felt a kinship enough to desire to help him, in it's own twisted way.
Charisma (E)- Leadership skills increase, but the morale of troops decreases extremely.
Noble Phantasm:
The Third Autumn - Luck of the Land (B,Anti-Army): A curse twisted and turned against others instead of the self. Upon activation, thorned vines sprout from where blood has been shed on the battlefield, entangling those nearby and draining both Luck and Mana from the victims, the Luck of which is transferred to Avenger as a permanent boost. a Strength check is needed to break free of the vines, the requirement on which increases if the victim has a high Mana stat.
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...Yeah, he's basically meant to be such an Avenger expy that in a story I once planned Avenger decided to give the guy a bit of a boost from his previous state out of pity. Considering how weak he still is, you can imagine how doomed the poor sucker who had him was, and is why his NP is basically the opposite of what it should be.
Thoughts/Suggestions are welcome.
Last edited by Xedan; March 17th, 2016 at 08:43 PM. Reason: NP Buff
I think the reason why people aren't making Avenger sheets yet is because its Class Skills have still yet to be revealed (in function, if not in name). As aptly demonstrated by you just giving him Mad Enhancement as a Class Skill instead of anything Avenger specific. Really no reason not to just make him Berserker, and possibly change the class when more details are revealed regarding Avenger.
Also, why is his NP ranking under parameters so much lower then it's listed as in his actual NP? Seem rather odd.
Valid points, I mostly went for him being Avenger instead of Berserker due to him not being mad in life, so much as probably driven mad as he was killed. Not particularly something he's known for. And the original Avenger didn't even bother to have a class skill, so it doesn't seem necessary. Suppose now that we're about to have one though people may wish to wait, you're rightlike i said, this self-control surprises me. Who knows? That skill might end up being a better fit.
As far as having D rank NP while his Noble Phantasm is B. I'm still not entirely sure how the stat and the NP itself is meant to stack together. In part the low rank was meant to be based on his current NP being an artificial alteration of what should be his "true" NP, and in part is meant to show his little control over it.
Still, certainly an option to switch that stat to B, or at least closer.
Last edited by Xedan; March 17th, 2016 at 09:09 PM.
The original Avenger didn't bother with anything, so why give him stats?
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