Questions, questions and more questions (READ THE OP FOR ANSWERS)

[Leftovers]

In the first place, this is just sprucing up fanon with the alien common sense angle, but since Shirou could pull off the Jeweled Sword even though it's alien to the point that it gives him an aneurysm just thinking about it, that won't fly.

Well, to entertain the thought, in Tsuki no Sango the elements mentioned also exist on Earth. Trees made of limestone, waifu made of silicon, ice in the atmosphere, etc. If we follow a train of thought that says human presence/common sense 'tinges' the elements or whatever, then that would also be the case for meteoric iron and whatnot that finds its way to the Earth and gets shaped by human hands, so nothing changes irw weapons that Shirou would try to replicate.

[Mcjon01]

Also why would a meteor have different common sense? It's a meteor not a planet. There's no TYPE Meteor, Dartz, you're drunk.

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Oh, what if ORT is actually a comet and not from Mercury at all, explaining the crystal motif (=ice) and the name (ORT = Oort). And thus the doubt that it's actually Type Mercury in CM.

[Leftovers]

Also why would a meteor have different common sense? It's a meteor not a planet. There's no TYPE Meteor, Dartz, you're drunk.

Alien common sense of bacteria.

[You]

Nope, but I've never had to try. Also nope to the receiving end.

we must get saved by the GO Saver.

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Also why would a meteor have different common sense? It's a meteor not a planet. There's no TYPE Meteor, Dartz, you're drunk.

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deaddrunk

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In the first place, this is just sprucing up fanon with the alien common sense angle, but since Shirou could pull off the Jeweled Sword even though it's alien to the point that it gives him an aneurysm just thinking about it, that won't fly.

Well, to entertain the thought, in Tsuki no Sango the elements mentioned also exist on Earth. Trees made of limestone, waifu made of silicon, ice in the atmosphere, etc. If we follow a train of thought that says human presence/common sense 'tinges' the elements or whatever, then that would also be the case for meteoric iron and whatnot that finds its way to the Earth and gets shaped by human hands, so nothing changes irw weapons that Shirou would try to replicate.

well silicon-chan is a human creation in some parts geared towards human needs.

[Dartz]

Shiki can't kill stuff with alien concepts of death. This is because Shiki specifically understands our kind of death. This isn't some innate limitations of all human beings, it's just Shiki's own knowledge being limited.

ORT doesn't follow the same laws as Earth, so attacks based on those laws are ineffective on it. Cool.

Actually ORT is immune to the MEoDP, which isn't the same as Shiki being unable to understand it.

A dense cloud of pollution would deny Arcueid all her powers.

(The above statement has exactly as much evidence behind it as your limitation on Shirou's ability.)

Red herring. Totally different things. Since assuming Shirou could understand things not from Earth is a no limits fallacy.

He is highly specialized in understanding close combat weaponry and has a magic ability that does the scanning for him.

Now that I remember, it was stated the Moon Cell had the materials that allowed for the reproduction of divine constructs as being the reason Archer could trace Excalibur. So, at the very least, they are not going to be able to reproduce anything with alien materials even if they could understand it (which I doubt).

[Leftovers]

Now that I remember, it was stated the Moon Cell had the materials that allowed for the reproduction of divine constructs as being the reason Archer could trace Excalibur. So, at the very least, they are not going to be able to reproduce anything with alien materials even if they could understand it (which I doubt).

Nuh-uh, it's not the materials, it's the conditions, and even those are "boosted" and not originally impossible.

Also, more importantly, wrought iron is most definitely not an alien material.

[You]

Now that I remember, it was stated the Moon Cell had the materials that allowed for the reproduction of divine constructs as being the reason Archer could trace Excalibur. So, at the very least, they are not going to be able to reproduce anything with alien materials even if they could understand it (which I doubt).

EXTRAでは錬鉄の可能条件もアップするため、性能は劣るものの、聖剣クラスの投影も可能のようだ。

wrought iron conditions are up.
So nope. It's a ???? reason.

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Nuh-uh, it's not the materials, it's the conditions, and even those are "boosted" and not originally impossible.

Also, more importantly, wrought iron is most definitely not an alien material.

As an aside.
tbh I think that's not supposed to be read as literally wrought iron and like tempering iron instead as a ?metaphor? for blacksmithing.
Either way as you said it's the conditions that get boosted which may include materials but can include a lot of other stuff.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

"conditions" = "Nasu busy dying in Dark Souls"

[Leftovers]

well silicon-chan is a human creation in some parts geared towards human needs.

aa, good point

oh and also

There is no reason to assume space matter is made out of the same chemical elements found on Earth.

but space matter is ether

[AmADo VII]

"conditions" = "Nasu busy dying in Dark Souls"

it's Bloodborne right now.

[Leftovers]

As an aside.
tbh I think that's not supposed to be read as literally wrought iron and like tempering iron instead as a ?metaphor? for blacksmithing.
Either way as you said it's the conditions that get boosted which may include materials but can include a lot of other stuff.

Yeah tbh I have trouble parsing "the conditions for where wrought iron is possible", not to mention how a specific alloy figures into reproducing holy swords occasionally made of wishes, but hey that's the translation that's there to work with, I can only quote it enough that someone bothers to correct it.

[You]

Yeah tbh I have trouble parsing "the conditions for where wrought iron is possible", not to mention how a specific alloy figures into reproducing holy swords occasionally made of wishes, but hey that's the translation that's there to work with, I can only quote it enough that someone bothers to correct it.

ha, so that's how arai or food made 可能条件 work in the sentence.
I would have never thought of that.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

it's Bloodborne right now.

Yeah but at the time wasn't it Dark Souls?

[Hawkeye]

Umm, just to weigh in here. Even if the physical laws of a world differ cause of collective unconscious or whatever, there's no evidence to suggest the elements differ at all. Composition might change, people made of silicon and such as brought up, but Science is pretty sure that the majority of elements are already known to us because of the experiments we can do which relate to us the elements likely present at the Big Bang. Of course there's no guarantee we've discovered every element or alloy, but it's unlikely there's anything in our Solar System composed of elements that can't be found here on Earth.

While The composition of ORT's Crystal Valley might be 'alien' to us, and might abide different physical laws, from what I know, there's nothing saying the crystal isn't made of something simple like Quartz. It might be Quartz where the physical laws of Mercury state that 'Quartz naturally forms in the shape of the human phallus just to piss people off' for all I know, but it wouldn't differ at base from Quartz here on Earth. Similarly, its noted that ORT's shell is stronger, more flexible etc. than any material known on Earth, but for all we know, it's a Carbon based lifeform, that's just how Carbon exists on its planet.

On top of everything else, Zelretch's sword is called 'alien', but let's be honest, that doesn't literally mean from another world in this case. That could have connotations of 'other worldly' in a metaphoric sense or a very simple 'foreign' concept that Shirou doesn't understand. Which makes sense since this thing is basically a short cut into multi-dimensional physics whereas Shirou's understanding normally stops at the physical composition of a weapon.

There's no reason to assume that weapons from other worlds would be beyond Shirou based on their elemental composition or based on whatever physical laws those elements may have to abide, but by the construction or function of the item he's trying to duplicate.

[You]

what if ORT's crystal valley is actually made of saint quartz.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Then I need to go find the biggest can of Raid I can.

[Leftovers]

ha, so that's how arai or food made 可能条件 work in the sentence.
I would have never thought of that.

oh, so something like more potential means of production?

[Hawkeye]

what if ORT's crystal valley is actually made of saint quartz.

... I chose Quartz cause it's a relatively common mineral and the first thing that popped into my head when I thought "Simple mineral", but now I'm just imagining Gudako in all her Cray Glory beating the tar outta ORT to raid his nest for Gachas.

[You]

oh, so something like more potential means of production?

yeah exactly that.

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... I chose Quartz cause it's a relatively common mineral and the first thing that popped into my head when I thought "Simple mineral", but now I'm just imagining Gudako in all her Cray Glory beating the tar outta ORT to raid his nest for Gachas.

pls put it in the TMwikia.

[Hawkeye]

pls put it in the TMwikia.

I thought we were trying to avoid misinformation? XD

Still, I might try to meme the crap outta this, ORT for Gachas or something.