I agree. But the comparison was not just pulled out of the air, it's one that he has professed to shooting for in the past.
I agree. But the comparison was not just pulled out of the air, it's one that he has professed to shooting for in the past.
Well, this is the first Servant I created back in 2011 when I got into fate. I wanted a female servant to be my protagonist, and didn't wanted to genderbent anyone, so I choose to make a more imaginative interpretation of her. Before anything else I want to say sorry for anything that may sound strange in the sheet since english is not my native language. And I don't have a FC for her because I never looked for them before, but in the next sheets I may get some.
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PS: The concept of "turn" used in the sheet comes from some sheets I saw from Zero or Stay Night, I don't remember well. I don't know what a turn is meant to mean in fate, but If I remember well, a turn is close to a second in D&D, so I used this concept. So read 1 turn = 1 second.
Well, it is old and your first, so it's not exceptionally bad. My first ones were way worse. But she's definitely very overpowered.
Agility has no reason to be that high, and I'd even lower her other physical parameters as well. NP should be more in line with the suggestions below for those.
The classes don't really make sense; she should be a Caster, or if you wanted to get a bit creative a Rider. Archer is justified enough by turning her first NP into arrows, I suppose, and I can only assume it would be a spear or sword under the other classes, but she wasn't a warrior, so she shouldn't really be able to use any of the three effectively.
Magic Resistance is high for someone who never dealt with magic. I'd assume it's because of her supernatural nature in La Commedia but if so you should probably specify.
Personally, I would replace Divinity and Flying with another skill similar to Innocent Monster (though obviously let negative). Flying isn't really something worth a skill for anyway, especially if she has wings. Just let it be something she can do, like Saber walking on water.
Perception could probably be replaced with a low rank in Andersen's Human Observation.
B is a very high rank for just some love poems crystallized into flaming arrows.
La Commedia, besides being an honestly pretty boring and generic interpretation, shouldn't be on her sheet. It belongs on Dante's. If you want her to have an NP based on it then it should be about her part specifically, not the entire work.
As for Lupa (sorry it took me so long to respond) I feel as though she is extremely powerful, but unlike most servant sheets (my Archer Mercurius Sheet among others) her strength is justified. Her stats are about equal to Romulus' which makes sense because she's A) a goddess of wolves, which would mean she's more suited for combat than, say, Demeter, and B) She's in the Berserker class. The noble phantasm is good, and justified at EX, as kiyohime's NP is arguably weaker and at the same rank. Overall a good sheet that does the wolf goddess, that helped create Rome, justice.
The parameters and the class stuff is more because she wasn't made thinking on the lady taking a weapon and fighting, more like an idealization of her as an angel fighting. And yeah, the only difference of her as a Lancer or Saber (besides the parameters) would be Vita Nuova assuming other forms.
I will probably reduce Magical Resistence to E (as I comparated her to other's Magic Resistance). I removed Divinity, but kept Flying and Perception, Human Observation is not much what I want. And a variation of Innocent Monster (like Curse of the Reader) would make sense, and I will add it.
I reduced La Vita Nuova to C (I don't think it is that weak to be D). And her version of Divina Commedia is a weakened version of what I plan for the Divina Commedia of a future Dante sheet, and considering how some Servant's Noble Phantasms always stretched a bit (Medusa riding Pegasus and having a Noble Phantasm called Andromeda, as an early exemple), I don't see much problem on her having it. Thank you for the feedback.
To be honest, i don't really get it why Vita Nuova are a bunch of exploding arrows.
Maybe its because i haven't read said work, but i must admit the transition is lost on me
There is not really a reason for that. Since the first version I did of her, she used exploding arrows, but these were unnamed. Since it needed a name, I thought it would be much better for it having a name related to her than just a phrase in english (like Rule Breaker).
Might be a case of bad conversions. I will admit I can't use kg weight for jack. I only know good human weight to height rations in pounds...
That might have been just me then.
Isn't the whole point of Archer being there that "versatility>raw power"?
This. Also, I simply have NO IDEA how to make lower stat servants since I wind up feeling I always feel annoyed whenever I think "I want this character to fight X" and the dice roll literally gives me the finger because chances are not low. They are zero. And no servant should ever have anything lower than a one percent chance of victory under all circumstances.
The high EOTM was something that I thought of as the true reason her sharpshooting was so precise to knock off the ash of a lit cigar in someone's mouth with very old and imprecise pistols. That's the sort of sight you'd expect of 300+ year old Archers...
And you have a problem with that? I didn't think of that here if it makes you sleep better at night.
Now, the servants people asked for a few pages back, those that I wear as a sig... Now those would probably incinerate/expunge/eviscerate/execrate Gil, Karna and Solomon. It's literally the reason I didn't make their sheets. They are implausibly overpowered for Nasuverse (because they were original characters that are historical figures, so the amount of corruption and power creep is downright taxing)...
The point of Archers is to have someone who can act autonomously from a distance rather than dragging you along and going into direct confrontations, and being able to hit hard with powerful Noble Phantasms. If you want to simplify it, then yes, you could say they were about "versatility". That doesn't mean that an Archer from 150 years ago should be anywhere near that agile, or have a skill on that level. Chiron, legendary tutor of heroes from the Age of the Gods, only has an A rank in EotM(T).
There are numerous cases where Servants do and should have lower than a one percent chance of victory under various circumstances, even in the very first installment of the franchise, so...
There are skills that actually affect aiming, you know, unlike Eye of the Mind, which has nothing at all to do with that. Clairvoyance, ie. the thing that you just described. Marksmanship, which both Billy and Anne/Mary have.
I don't have a problem, at least not with that part specifically, and what problems I do have I have no intention of getting into an argument about. The more important part of the statement was that you do it with people who should be low tier. The point of posting things here is to get feedback on them, so there's some feedback: if you can't stand to make Servants who are weak, you shouldn't make Servants out of people who should be weak.
Goddess Divine Core is for the Gorgon sisters who were stated to be 'Perfect'. The thing about the Greek (and ripoff roman gods) Gods is that they reflect humanities flaws. Anyways, her thing is that her Divinity is sealed. As for Artemis, she hijacked Orion's contained, so she has his parameters and skills.
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Annie Oakley - A few things here. Firstly, I don't think all those minuses are necessary. Personally what I would do is look on Billy the Kid and Francia Drake for parameters and work off there. EoTM(T) and Agility need nerfing badly. Also, a Noble Phantasm is needed. If you have a problem with ideas, try something with trickshots and say they're derivative of Sir Tristan's Failnot and will always hit (like i did with Robin Hood/Maid Marian). Also i'd reduce her weight a bit
Beatrice Portinari - She seems alright, you've made the modifications and they work. With the second Noble Phantasm (which I do like), she seems like she'd be better suited to a Caster.
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Class: Archer
True Name: Oberon
Titles: King of the Fairies
Sex: Male
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
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Info
Strength: C
Endurance: B
Agility: A
Mana: A
Luck: B
Noble Phantasm: A
Class Skills
Magic Resistance: B+
Grants protection against magical effects.
Archer is all but immune to Magic.
Independent Action: A+
The ability to remain independent even when rejecting the prana supply from the Master.
Archer is theoretically capable of maintaining his existence indefinitely.
Personal Skills
Privilege of the Faerie King: EX
An ability that imbues its owner with Skills that are essential to ruling a kingdom of faeries. In cases when the Rank is А or above, even skills that can't be learned such as Divinity can acquired.
For Archer, the relevant skills are High-Speed Divine Words, Summoning Magic, Presence Concealment, Golden Rule, animal taming and many others.
Charisma: A
The natural talent to command an army. Increases the ability of allies during group battles.
Archer has ruled as King of the Faeries unopposed since the height of the Roman Empire.
Mystic Face: B
A spell inherent to the wielder’s face that activate when a person looks at it.
Archer’s Mystic Face makes him so that no mortal can remain unmoved by his beauty. As such, Archer is forced to wear a mask when he wishes to not enamor anyone.
Clairvoyance: A
Connotes superior visual perception and dynamic occipital capture, such as to supplement the long-range aiming of projectile weapons. At higher ranks, it is possible that the bearers of this skill have acquired such abilities as precognition ("future vision") and other forms of perception beyond standard eyesight (X-ray vision and so forth).
Blessing given to him as new-born child, Archer has the ability to see things that are beyond mortal eyes.
Noble Phantasms
King’s Bow: Whose Arrow Never Err: B+
An enchanted bow made from a white wood whose origin is unknown, decorated with blue enamel and gold engravings and the string seemingly made from a translucent fiber. The arrows fired from this bow can travel many leagues and strike with unerring accuracy.
Golden Cup: Source of Great Bounty: A
A small golden chalice, with the inscriptions of the faerie language engraved on it. With this noble phantasm, Archer is able use it on others to heal the most grievous of wounds and treat disease provided the person is judged by the cup as virtuous. To those the cup judges as wicked, its contents are as poisonous as the deadliest of venoms. As such, Archer laces half his arrows with contents of the cup. While some have compared this cup to the Holy Grail, it does not grant wishes. Outside of battle, Archer uses this cup as a source of food and drink.
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This guy was surprisingly straight forward to do. I guess he's better suited as a caster but I just love that Oberon skin too much to not use it as a face claim.
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Seems cool, but a few things. I don't think Magic Resistance should be that high. Arturia has the dragon factor and is at A and I think dragons > faries. B is fine though. Also you muddled up the descriptions for Independent Action, A is a week while A+ is borderline indefinitely. Nice choice in Mystic Face as a skill, it's underused as a skill (but I have only one servant with that skill). Privilege of the Faerie King is imperial privilege so schange either the name or description, I made a variant with Connla and Prodigal Son as a skill.
Everything else is good though.
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With Magic Resistance, I'll meet you in the middle with B+, the fairies did make Avalon and Excalibur after all.
As for Independent action and Privilege of the Faerie King, fair nuf, I'll tweak the descriptions. Thanks for taking the time.
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Okay, this next one is going to be a bit different. This guys is an attempt at making a Kojiro-style fake Servant, and I'm not completely sure if this counts as one.
Class: Saber
True Name: “Spiculus”
Sex: Male
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Face Claim
Info
Strength: B
Endurance: B
Agility: C
Mana: E
Luck: A
Noble Phantasm: N/A
Class Skills
Magic Resistance: C
Grants protection against magical effects.
Saber gets the lowest skill rank possible for his class because he has never encountered magic in his life.
Riding: C
The ability to ride mounts.
Saber is capable of handling most mundane modes of transportation well.
Personal Skills
Death or Glory: A
Ability to continue battle that is based on enduring and ignoring pain rather than actually withstanding damage.
Saber has the ability to continue fighting despite sustaining wounds and injuries that can kill any other man a hundred times over, achieving this by keeping the pain contained or suppressed to manageable levels. Should Saber experience pain that exceeds a certain threshold, his body will quickly succumb to the collective injuries and will very likely lead to his death. However, if he is able to wound his killer in his dying breath, it is possible to postpone his death. Attacks during this state are counted as Rank A. The life of a gladiator is not an easy one, Saber has walked away from fights that should have killed him yet he is somehow the one raising his hands in victory and walking out of the arena on his two feet.
The Spectacle in Battle: A
A skill that makes an opponent think he/she sees an opening for attack when there is none and prevents any decrease in the effectiveness of a technique by the skill’s owner, regardless of how many times it is used against the same opponent.
Saber’s unorthodox fighting style, which to a traditionally trained warrior seems random and constantly opens him to attack, was developed in his years as a gladiator.
Eye of the Mind (True): B
A heightened capacity for observation, refined through experience.
Saber has fought as a gladiator for 5 years and an accumulated 25 years of a soldier of Rome before finally retiring, in those years he has fought countless men and beasts with various fighting styles and battle configurations. This gave Saber an excellent understanding on how people fight and have allowed him to master the art of controlling a battle with your wits.
The Honor of the Battered: C+
A skill that makes those who have it become more powerful as they are inflicted more pain. The cost used to heal injuries via Magecraft or similar methods are reduced.
Saber doesn’t actually get stronger when he gets injured, instead his mind becomes more focused, better synchronizing his experienced mind and well-conditioned body for the task at hand and seize the day.
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Personally, I'm not really convinced I got the whole Fake Servant thing correctly with this but hey it's a good change of pace.
Last edited by NightEye; April 27th, 2016 at 10:56 AM.
Huh, I was planning on doing a Spiculus sheet myself, though I'm nowhere near actually writing it.
Well, you got the idea of "that person did not exist, they were actually a bunch of different people absorbed into one legend" right, you're sort of missing the "a skill that would be a Noble Phantasm if they were a real Heroic Spirit" part of Sasaki. Still, not too bad man/girl/whatever.
Now, the rank being too high I can understand, but...
Archer could've won all HGW battles if he used his head and wasn't busy trying to commit time travelling suicide. Assassin and True Assassin are the closest thing I can come up with and I am sure those had a low chance, but not a negligible one.There are numerous cases where Servants do and should have lower than a one percent chance of victory under various circumstances, even in the very first installment of the franchise, so...
I always thought of it as an sniper usable ability, but suit yourself...There are skills that actually affect aiming, you know, unlike Eye of the Mind, which has nothing at all to do with that. Clairvoyance, ie. the thing that you just described. Marksmanship, which both Billy and Anne/Mary have.
I don't have a problem, at least not with that part specifically, and what problems I do have I have no intention of getting into an argument about. The more important part of the statement was that you do it with people who should be low tier. The point of posting things here is to get feedback on them, so there's some feedback: if you can't stand to make Servants who are weak, you shouldn't make Servants out of people who should be weak.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps we simply have a different understanding of the word "weak". Strong servants in my mind are theoretically far more powerful than this... And depending on whether people here wouldn't mind seeing a "reincarnated servant", I might show what I consider a strong servant.
There's a difference between 'a Servant that can hold their own in a Grail War' and 'one that's horrendously wanked almost beyond recognition'. Speaking of which, what is even with the EX Agility? Whoever heard of Annie even being famous for her speed? I understand you'd want her to maneuverable and quick on her feet to compensate for physical weakness, but Agility (EX) is just... crazy. At that point saying her speed is literally unquantifiable. Can you see why that's not fitting for Annie's legend?
Despite it all though, I wouldn't necessarily mind seeing your other 'overpowered' sheets (one of which is El Cid, I presume). I don't mind OP characters necessarily, as long they have the lore to back it up (i.e a war hero from the last hundred years shouldn't be able to outclass Heracles or Arturia in raw power) and are at least reasonably tasteful. And I wouldn't mind a preview on some of the 'reincarnated myths' which are going to show up in your story. Which, BTW, I PMed you some critique on that story a few weeks ago which you never got back to me on. No urgency, I'm just curious whether you noticed it or not.
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The fact that he dies to Herakles in "Fate" even when trying his damnedest to win is proof that isn't true, and he's just one example.
Unless you used "could have won" in the sense that he had a chance of winning instead of "he certainly would have won", in which case I agree.
Also E rank luck = Gae Bolg GG. Lancer beats Archer almost every time.