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    Class: Lancer
    Alternate Class(es): Caster, Berserker
    Alias/Titles: King Of Rebellions, The Morning Star, The Outcast Angel, The Babylonian King
    True Name: Heylel/Lucifer
    Alignment: Chaotic Neutral (To Him), Neutral Evil (Truthfully)


    Parameters
    Strength: C (B)
    Endurance: C (B)
    Agility: B (A)
    Mana: B
    Luck: A+ (+ modifier applies to Rebellions of any sort):
    Noble Phantasm: A+

    Biography
    Appearance: A tall fair skinned and beautiful man. His hair is a feathery and a pale golden color and reaches down to his lower back. His eyes are pale gold and his skin is smooth and pleasant. He wears a pristine white toga that wraps over one of his shoulders and simple gold bracelets on his legs and arms. He wears no shoes, though his toenails and fingernails are quite well manicured.


    Personality: Lancer truly sees himself as the most faithful and loyal of the LORD's angels and he refuses to believe that being cast from paradise is anything more then a test from his LORD, because of course the LORD couldn't have really meant for his Angels to kowtow to those pathetic. His love for the LORD knows no bounds, and due to this he will willfully disregard any orders or statements that do not match up with his vision of him. Though the fall was meant to curb Lancer's great pride by forcing him to live as and sympathies with humanity, his brethren, this failed utterly. Instead of teaching him humility he learned he simply grew more spiteful, angry that these beings dared live happily in a situation that hurt Lancer so very much. He became a terrible tyrant, ruling harshly over the Babylonians. Even to his death, he never once gave up the idea that this was merely a test, a way for his LORD to find his most faithful. His love for the LORD was fanatical and never ending.

    Normally he is polite, well spoken, and charismatic to those he meets, if perhaps a might arrogant, selfish, and stuck up. Long term interactions will often reveal his negative traits slowly, allowing the receiver to fully appreciate the subtle horror hidden by his honeyed words.


    History: At one time Lancer was the most trusted, beautiful, and loyal servants of the LORD, but with the birth of the first man this all changed. The LORD commanded all of his servants to respect the race and Alaya in the same manor as they would him. This, Lancer would not do. He could not understand, much less believe that his LORD would want something to be venerated as he was. Lancer's pride was so ingrained within him that he truly did not get that the LORD could have possibly meant what he had said. Instead Lancer believed it was a test, a subtle trick to catch those not truly devout to the LORD. He went down to mankind and with honeyed words brought up a rebellion, he proved that humanity was unworthy, that it was nowhere near as pure or great as the LORD had said. He proved this to himself, but to the others he proved nothing but his willingness to disregard the word of the LORD. Lancer was appalled that they did not understand, he could see nothing but fools that did not understand the words of the LORD. Yet again, he did what he was so apt and willing to do, he staged a rebellion. Legions of like minded angels, angels that were to prideful to listen, and angels that simply did not want follow the LORD any longer formed around his command. He waged war against what were once his brothers in arms, and for that he was punished severely. His army was stopped with ease under the might of the LORD and his truly devoted. He, his army, and all of those that followed his words fell from the heavens willingly. They refused to the last to surrender, preferring to lose everything if they could only keep their pride. And for this final betrayal his Divinity was stripped, and Lancer was left as that which he hated most, a human. Lancer crawled among the filth and scum as a man, he grew more and more bitter, and yet again he brought Rebellion along with him. The previous king was crushed under the might of the unified peasantry, with Lancer replacing him as a Tyrant far more terrible then what the last King had been at his worst. Lancer crushed all attempts at over throwing him ruthlessly, his own experience far outstripping that of the poor fools that thought to strike him down. But like any mortal he began to wither away, Lancers endless search to return to heaven was for naught and he died of disease as a bitter old man. And there was much rejoicing.

    Class Skills
    Magic Resistance (A-) Grants protection against magical effects. Differently from the Resistance effect that merely rejects Magical Energy, this ability cancels the spells altogether. At this rank it will cancel spells of A-Rank or below. In practice, the Servant is untouchable to modern magi, so it would not be an exaggeration to title the Servant a "Magus Killer".
    Though he is amazingly resistant to magic due to his life after the fall being within ancient Babylon, where magic was on a different level to that of the modern day, he’s particularly weak to the Sacraments of the Church, with his Magic Resistance being more than cut in half against them.


    Personal Skills
    Charisma(A) The natural talent to command an army. Increases the ability of allies during group battles. A rare talent, and an ability inherent to Servants of the Saver class. It is said that a rank of B in this skill is sufficient to lead a nation as its King.
    Lucifer's Charisma was so great as to talk the a third of the host of heaven into falling along side him, when he challenged the evil of man he talked Eve into eating of the Fruit, and even after the fall his Charisma was enough to leave him a great king of Babylon.


    Prana Burst (Light) (A) The increase in performance caused by infusing one's weapons and body with magical energy and instantly expelling it. Simply put, recreating the effect of a jet burst by expending large amounts of Magical Energy. This specific variant Imparts an effect akin to Light.
    He is the Light Bringer and the Morning Star, Light listens to him in ways that few others could hope to match.


    Shapeshift (B) This refers to both borrowing bodies and changing shapes and appearance.
    He was quite adept at manipulating his shape or taking the bodies of others, as an angel of the LORD his form was never set into stone.


    Noble Phantasms

    Starfall
    "Headlong themselves they threw, down from the verge of Heaven."
    Anti-Army, Anti-Heretic
    A+
    Active

    Normally manifested as a brilliant spear of Light this Noble phantasm allows Lancer to summon and launch a field of Starlike constructs of Light and Fire, each one moving so fast as to form a veritable lance of light across the sky. While normally it is not overly special merely having a large amount of powerful attacks, each approximately equivalent to a meteor impact, when faced with what Lancer identifies as a Heretic or enemy of God it shows it's true power. The amount of Stars that he can summon at a time increases dramatically along with the heat and force imparted by the impact. The final ability unlocked against a Heretic is to allow him to throw his spear in an attack reminiscent of Lancer's own fall from heaven. By speaking it's name Lancer's spear of light is heated to such extreme concentrations as melt through nearly any defense it touches and strike with the force of a great meteor.

    This Noble Phantasm is an allusion to Lancer's rebellion which took with it a third of the heavenly host, It was spoken of as if a third of all the stars in the sky suddenly fell to earth. Lancer, being the Morning star or the Planet Venus, and leader of the rebellion had the worst of it, having his Divinity utterly stripped from him and being thrown down to live as a human to never again experience the glory of Heaven.


    Paradise Lost
    Forever Seeking A Taste Of Heaven
    Anti-Unit (Self)
    B+

    A crystallization of his desperate search to return to paradise, this Noble phantasm takes the form of a brilliant white toga that leaves him resistant to most Non-Church derived forms of damage. It's true power is that it allows him to come ever so slightly closer to his original form. His hair grows down to his back, six brilliant white wings of light and fire sprout from his back, a pair of long silver horns come from his temples, and the Toga deforms into a long white ribbon twisting around him. In this form he glows brightly from within with a beautiful silver light and he is surrounded with excessive amounts of bright and intense white fire, causing all Servants or beings within 50 meters to have to pass a luck check against instantaneous temporary blindness and beings withing 5 meters to have to pass a check against permanent blindness. He receives a full Rank Up in Agility and Strength, equivalent to a constant use of Prana Burst, along with a Rank Up in Endurance due to his body becoming closer to that of his true form's. When activated this Noble Phantasm also grants the equivalent of E- Rank Divinity, enough to taunt Lancer with it's existence and activate Anti-Divine Noble Phantasms, but not enough to have any real effect, even to the point of failing completely in the face of devout members of the Abrahamic faiths.

    This Noble Phantasm springs from Lancers endless search for heaven after the fall. Lancer never truly accepted his being cast from grace, always seeing it as only a test from the LORD to prove Lancer truly worthy of being his greatest angel, something to prove if Lancer was willing to sacrifice everything for paradise. After the fall he constantly sought out paradise, sacrificing many of Babylon's men in the search, but ultimately it was for naught. Even after death though he continues his search, doing everything possible to find his beloved LORD and regain his Divinity position as the paragon of the LORD's heavenly host.

    Spoiler:
    Perhaps this isn't the most auspicious of first posts, as the Lucifer sheets earlier in the thread were rather... wanked, but I had this sheet made and I was curious about it's reception. An important thing to note for him is that he isn't Satan, he's Lucifer who lead the rebellion, they're different beings.
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    I swear we had an Erlking before.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Well before IP came and everyone complained about it there was Expert of Many Specializations.
    Hm! Why did people complain about it? They felt it was overpowered?

    Actually that's a Tmwikia ruse. Some skills don't have a general description and then a rank specific description.
    Like Eye of the Mind True.
    Ah, I didn't remember that. It's been too long since I've played the original VN.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Perceval, le Conte du Graal. Gets passed around the table but no touchy, no claimy.
    Also, even in the version you're referring to, he's not the one that claims it, now is he?
    Chrétien's story was never finished, though. Assuming it had been, he probably would have followed the existing tradition and Perceval would have claimed the Grail.
    As for your second assertion, I suppose it depends on how we're defining "claim". He's not the one that uses its powers, but he is accepted by the Grail - unlike all other knights of the Round Table, including Lancelot. That said, you're right; strictly speaking, he doesn't claim it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Hm! Why did people complain about it? They felt it was overpowered?
    If you give your Servant 10 Personal Skills people will say you're wanking.
    To get around that you give your servant Expert of Many and say "look guize, it's a canon skill, and my person was skilled in tonnes of stuff!!!!"
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Chrétien's story was never finished, though. Assuming it had been, he probably would have followed the existing tradition and Perceval would have claimed the Grail.
    Yes, but assuming anything isn't what I'm doing. I was pointing to the tale that I was referring to. It is also an earlier tradition in the grail stories, not following or adapting stuff like everyone else did to his story.

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    I always thought Expert was for mundane stuff. Like fishing. Or ballroom dancing. Or fretwork.

    What does Hundred Faces' version say they can do with it?
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    If you give your Servant 10 Personal Skills people will say you're wanking.
    To get around that you give your servant Expert of Many and say "look guize, it's a canon skill, and my person was skilled in tonnes of stuff!!!!"
    Hm, I can see the issue. That said, the Skills covered by EoMS - at least in Zero!Hassan's case - don't seem like they're exactly on par with other, more mainstream Servant Skills. (I mean, their B Rank in Assassination didn't prevent them from being spotted by Kiritsugu and Maiya, for starters.)

    Edit: Basically, what asterism said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Yes, but assuming anything isn't what I'm doing.
    I'm just saying, there's a huge difference between saying "Perceval didn't claim the Grail" and saying "in this one fragment of a story, Perceval hasn't claimed the Grail yet".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erlking View Post
    Spoiler:

    Status

    Class: Lancer
    Alternate Class(es): Caster, Berserker
    Alias/Titles: King Of Rebellions, The Morning Star, The Outcast Angel, The Babylonian King
    True Name: Heylel/Lucifer
    Alignment: Chaotic Neutral (To Him), Neutral Evil (Truthfully)


    Parameters
    Strength: C (B)
    Endurance: C (B)
    Agility: B (A)
    Mana: B
    Luck: A+ (+ modifier applies to Rebellions of any sort):
    Noble Phantasm: A+

    Biography
    Appearance: A tall fair skinned and beautiful man. His hair is a feathery and a pale golden color and reaches down to his lower back. His eyes are pale gold and his skin is smooth and pleasant. He wears a pristine white toga that wraps over one of his shoulders and simple gold bracelets on his legs and arms. He wears no shoes, though his toenails and fingernails are quite well manicured.


    Personality: Lancer truly sees himself as the most faithful and loyal of the LORD's angels and he refuses to believe that being cast from paradise is anything more then a test from his LORD, because of course the LORD couldn't have really meant for his Angels to kowtow to those pathetic. His love for the LORD knows no bounds, and due to this he will willfully disregard any orders or statements that do not match up with his vision of him. Though the fall was meant to curb Lancer's great pride by forcing him to live as and sympathies with humanity, his brethren, this failed utterly. Instead of teaching him humility he learned he simply grew more spiteful, angry that these beings dared live happily in a situation that hurt Lancer so very much. He became a terrible tyrant, ruling harshly over the Babylonians. Even to his death, he never once gave up the idea that this was merely a test, a way for his LORD to find his most faithful. His love for the LORD was fanatical and never ending.

    Normally he is polite, well spoken, and charismatic to those he meets, if perhaps a might arrogant, selfish, and stuck up. Long term interactions will often reveal his negative traits slowly, allowing the receiver to fully appreciate the subtle horror hidden by his honeyed words.


    History: At one time Lancer was the most trusted, beautiful, and loyal servants of the LORD, but with the birth of the first man this all changed. The LORD commanded all of his servants to respect the race and Alaya in the same manor as they would him. This, Lancer would not do. He could not understand, much less believe that his LORD would want something to be venerated as he was. Lancer's pride was so ingrained within him that he truly did not get that the LORD could have possibly meant what he had said. Instead Lancer believed it was a test, a subtle trick to catch those not truly devout to the LORD. He went down to mankind and with honeyed words brought up a rebellion, he proved that humanity was unworthy, that it was nowhere near as pure or great as the LORD had said. He proved this to himself, but to the others he proved nothing but his willingness to disregard the word of the LORD. Lancer was appalled that they did not understand, he could see nothing but fools that did not understand the words of the LORD. Yet again, he did what he was so apt and willing to do, he staged a rebellion. Legions of like minded angels, angels that were to prideful to listen, and angels that simply did not want follow the LORD any longer formed around his command. He waged war against what were once his brothers in arms, and for that he was punished severely. His army was stopped with ease under the might of the LORD and his truly devoted. He, his army, and all of those that followed his words fell from the heavens willingly. They refused to the last to surrender, preferring to lose everything if they could only keep their pride. And for this final betrayal his Divinity was stripped, and Lancer was left as that which he hated most, a human. Lancer crawled among the filth and scum as a man, he grew more and more bitter, and yet again he brought Rebellion along with him. The previous king was crushed under the might of the unified peasantry, with Lancer replacing him as a Tyrant far more terrible then what the last King had been at his worst. Lancer crushed all attempts at over throwing him ruthlessly, his own experience far outstripping that of the poor fools that thought to strike him down. But like any mortal he began to wither away, Lancers endless search to return to heaven was for naught and he died of disease as a bitter old man. And there was much rejoicing.

    Class Skills
    Magic Resistance (A-) Grants protection against magical effects. Differently from the Resistance effect that merely rejects Magical Energy, this ability cancels the spells altogether. At this rank it will cancel spells of A-Rank or below. In practice, the Servant is untouchable to modern magi, so it would not be an exaggeration to title the Servant a "Magus Killer".
    Though he is amazingly resistant to magic due to his life after the fall being within ancient Babylon, where magic was on a different level to that of the modern day, he’s particularly weak to the Sacraments of the Church, with his Magic Resistance being more than cut in half against them.


    Personal Skills
    Charisma(A) The natural talent to command an army. Increases the ability of allies during group battles. A rare talent, and an ability inherent to Servants of the Saver class. It is said that a rank of B in this skill is sufficient to lead a nation as its King.
    Lucifer's Charisma was so great as to talk the a third of the host of heaven into falling along side him, when he challenged the evil of man he talked Eve into eating of the Fruit, and even after the fall his Charisma was enough to leave him a great king of Babylon.


    Prana Burst (Light) (A) The increase in performance caused by infusing one's weapons and body with magical energy and instantly expelling it. Simply put, recreating the effect of a jet burst by expending large amounts of Magical Energy. This specific variant Imparts an effect akin to Light.
    He is the Light Bringer and the Morning Star, Light listens to him in ways that few others could hope to match.


    Shapeshift (B) This refers to both borrowing bodies and changing shapes and appearance.
    He was quite adept at manipulating his shape or taking the bodies of others, as an angel of the LORD his form was never set into stone.


    Noble Phantasms

    Starfall
    "Headlong themselves they threw, down from the verge of Heaven."
    Anti-Army, Anti-Heretic
    A+
    Active

    Normally manifested as a brilliant spear of Light this Noble phantasm allows Lancer to summon and launch a field of Starlike constructs of Light and Fire, each one moving so fast as to form a veritable lance of light across the sky. While normally it is not overly special merely having a large amount of powerful attacks, each approximately equivalent to a meteor impact, when faced with what Lancer identifies as a Heretic or enemy of God it shows it's true power. The amount of Stars that he can summon at a time increases dramatically along with the heat and force imparted by the impact. The final ability unlocked against a Heretic is to allow him to throw his spear in an attack reminiscent of Lancer's own fall from heaven. By speaking it's name Lancer's spear of light is heated to such extreme concentrations as melt through nearly any defense it touches and strike with the force of a great meteor.

    This Noble Phantasm is an allusion to Lancer's rebellion which took with it a third of the heavenly host, It was spoken of as if a third of all the stars in the sky suddenly fell to earth. Lancer, being the Morning star or the Planet Venus, and leader of the rebellion had the worst of it, having his Divinity utterly stripped from him and being thrown down to live as a human to never again experience the glory of Heaven.


    Paradise Lost
    Forever Seeking A Taste Of Heaven
    Anti-Unit (Self)
    B+

    A crystallization of his desperate search to return to paradise, this Noble phantasm takes the form of a brilliant white toga that leaves him resistant to most Non-Church derived forms of damage. It's true power is that it allows him to come ever so slightly closer to his original form. His hair grows down to his back, six brilliant white wings of light and fire sprout from his back, a pair of long silver horns come from his temples, and the Toga deforms into a long white ribbon twisting around him. In this form he glows brightly from within with a beautiful silver light and he is surrounded with excessive amounts of bright and intense white fire, causing all Servants or beings within 50 meters to have to pass a luck check against instantaneous temporary blindness and beings withing 5 meters to have to pass a check against permanent blindness. He receives a full Rank Up in Agility and Strength, equivalent to a constant use of Prana Burst, along with a Rank Up in Endurance due to his body becoming closer to that of his true form's. When activated this Noble Phantasm also grants the equivalent of E- Rank Divinity, enough to taunt Lancer with it's existence and activate Anti-Divine Noble Phantasms, but not enough to have any real effect, even to the point of failing completely in the face of devout members of the Abrahamic faiths.

    This Noble Phantasm springs from Lancers endless search for heaven after the fall. Lancer never truly accepted his being cast from grace, always seeing it as only a test from the LORD to prove Lancer truly worthy of being his greatest angel, something to prove if Lancer was willing to sacrifice everything for paradise. After the fall he constantly sought out paradise, sacrificing many of Babylon's men in the search, but ultimately it was for naught. Even after death though he continues his search, doing everything possible to find his beloved LORD and regain his Divinity position as the paragon of the LORD's heavenly host.

    Spoiler:
    Perhaps this isn't the most auspicious of first posts, as the Lucifer sheets earlier in the thread were rather... wanked, but I had this sheet made and I was curious about it's reception. An important thing to note for him is that he isn't Satan, he's Lucifer who lead the rebellion, they're different beings.
    I don't even get what sources the backstory draws on.
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    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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    Paradise Lost?

    I mean, I'm guessing since I haven't read it. But I know that's where the story of Lucifer more or less comes from. With a lot of liberties to explain why he's a Servant.
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    That is definitely not in Paradise Lost.
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    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    I'm just saying, there's a huge difference between saying "Perceval didn't claim the Grail" and saying "in this one fragment of a story, Perceval hasn't claimed the Grail yet".
    In this unfinished story that we don't actually know how it was going to go but by which everything else is pretty much based on or referencing, "Perceval didn't claim the grail, and I'm not in the business of saying yet."

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    I always thought Expert was for mundane stuff. Like fishing. Or ballroom dancing. Or fretwork.

    What does Hundred Faces' version say they can do with it?
    battle tactics, scholarship, spying, assassination, rhetoric.

    I mean Planning and Stalking are both skill that Servants have a personal skills so yeah.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wongdong Modernart View Post
    I don't even get what sources the backstory draws on.
    It's a less then stellar nasufied history cobbled together from multiple sources about Lucifer/Heylel. It's main purpose is to justify his existence as a Heroic Spirit rather then a Divine Spirit or whatever an angel would otherwise translate to in the Nasuverse.

    A large part of it comes from Ahbramic accounts and implications of his rebellion and fall. Another large part comes from Milton's Paradise lost, as you may be able to get the description of the rebellion and them casting themselves from grace. The Babylonian King part comes from how the term/title of Heylel or the Morning Star was applied to the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar II, and due to this he was identified with Lucifer.

    The entire thing though is just framing for Lucifer having his Divinity taken so that he must live as a man, and therefore making him viable as a Heroic Spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    battle tactics, scholarship, spying, assassination, rhetoric.

    I mean Planning and Stalking are both skill that Servants have a personal skills so yeah.
    You'd expect an Assassin-class Servant to have assassination skills at the very least.

    Just felt like pointing that out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandstorm77 View Post
    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerEmiya View Post
    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    In this unfinished story that we don't actually know how it was going to go but by which everything else is pretty much based on or referencing, "Perceval didn't claim the grail, and I'm not in the business of saying yet."
    Look, to claim he wouldn't have found the Grail in that story is to say Chrétien de Troyes - one of the foremost writers of his time - knew jack shit about writing to the point he created all that dramatic tension of whether Perceval would redeem himself and fulfill his quest only to later let it fizzle in an anticlimax. That would be like saying the Epic of Gilgamesh should have ended with Gilgamesh eating the herb of immortality in spite of its recurring theme that "mortality sucks, but it's a natural part of life, so just deal with it" (plus the theme of Gilgamesh learning to curb his impulses). It's not for nothing that, until the addition of Galahad to the Arthurian mythos, everyone who followed Chrétien (including people who actually continued his poem) had Perceval claiming the Grail and healing the Fisher King.
    (And that's without even getting into the issue of whether or not Chrétien was actually following an older, oral tradition.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    Plus from your descriptions it's not always clear what his NPs actually do (I presume Sword Of Strange Hangings is Excaliblast-like and Dolorous Stroke is some sort of super powerful cursed strike that devastates the landscape it's used in but the effects aren't exactly clear from the descriptions).
    To draw a quick comparison: Sword of the Strange Hangings = Clarent. Dolorous Stroke = Blood Clarent Arthur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Perceval sees the grail but doesn't get to claim it.
    i am ashamed I forgot this

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    So were a lot of historical figures. And mythical figures.

    People can be really crappy sometimes is what I'm saying.
    Jeanne was super Catholic and actually advocated crusading against the Muslims so lol. Also a part about warring and wipeing out a a different sect of Christians for being heretics.

    Quote Originally Posted by JetKinen View Post
    I dunno about Okita's technique.
    Okita technique isn't like the TG where the problem is that there is too many swords in too many places for someone with two arms to handle.
    Okita hits one place very well and she is very good at breaking through defences.
    i know, 'localized phenomena' causing shenanigans. But considering the strength and time/space manipulation of that shield makes me think it will do the same thing in reverse. I can see the stab being good against Mordred armor but not against conceptually imbued defenses like even Rho Aius.

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    What does Hundred Faces' version say they can do with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LJ3 View Post
    Jeanne was super Catholic and actually advocated crusading against the Muslims so lol. Also a part about warring and wipeing out a a different sect of Christians for being heretics.
    I think they were talking about a different Jeanne.

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    I know, Rwby

    my remark was on asterism's comment on legendary people having some skeletons in the closet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayr View Post
    Spoiler:
    [Seeing as they described one of Mashu's skills ("Transient Wall of Snowflakes" here, "Wall of Fleeting Snowflakes" on Kyte's profile thread) as "a skill unique to Galahad alone", I'd guess they are aware of that? Unless it's just a ridiculously similar name, but that seems rather unlikely.]
    You sure the uniqueness isn't because of the demi-servant-ness? The descriptions IIRC say that Mashu uses sort of instinctual knowledge from the HS to create skills and NP that are kinda but not quite like the originals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetKinen View Post
    I dunno about Okita's technique.
    Okita technique isn't like the TG where the problem is that there is too many swords in too many places for someone with two arms to handle.
    Okita hits one place very well and she is very good at breaking through defences.
    Both are spacetime fuckery and IIRC at some point they draw parallels between the two but I'm not sure. FWIW they are both classified as 'Cursed/Magic Sword' rather than real NPs.
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