Speaking of which, I was wondering. You mentioned in the other post about those from almost a year ago that Battler had been mentioned in Fate/Extra, but where was that? I haven't played most of the game still but I don't remember it, and unlike Gunner's brief mention I haven't found any other sources for it.Originally Posted by Arjuna
Just looked at the Japanese Type Moon wiki, and now I remember it was in CCC, not the first one. Could've sworn it was in reference to Li Shuwen though... Here's the TMwiki page where a possible Battler Class is mentioned: http://wiki.cre.jp/typemoon/%E3%82%A...3%88%E3%83%A9) 日本語が分からないと無意味だが。
裸じゃないと意味がない。
Huh. I don't see any mention of Battler, but I'm relying on google translate so that means absolutely nothing.
I've been trying to find all of the mentions of extra classes that I can and figure out how they work as best as I can, and that one has been stumping me for a while since I haven't been able to find any actual information about it.
It's not talking about an actual Battler class though, just silly labels being forced onto the Servant like Karna and Launcher.
Hahaha, that's not even "Battler," it's "Butler." It's like some room event joke with Archer if you choose him as your Servant in CCC.
Really? Well, that's some egg on my face then. Still keeping the Battler Class, though I think the usual Class name used here is Striker, huh?
裸じゃないと意味がない。
No....
Unless there's a regalia class called Striker.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Vagrant used Striker for Enkidu.
I don't think there's any sort of standard, though.
I know theres something in the japanese TM wiki about Nobunobu being a "Gunner"
but then again Koha-Ace
In Capsule Servant, a Boxer class was mentioned. Not that it's canon but I would take it over making up something entirely new.
Hahaha, the power of mental influence is strong! Yeah, I personally use Striker for hand-to-hand/blunt-object wielders, but it's literally just me. I have a list somewhere of 16 classes or so, for an "expanded Grail War" that I never did anything with.
Well, was doing some dredging on my travel hard drive and among a whole lot of other rather old documents, I discovered this little gem. This had originally been intended for an RP where to successfully earn the Grail you basically had to successfully ascertain the true identities of the other Servants.
So, being the good sport that I am, I went and found someone super obscure and then made most of her history up through tenuous connections and flimsy justifications.
You can actually see elements of her incorporated into my old Atalanta profile, from before the Apocrypha novel was announced. And even then I'd cannibalised this girl to make Atalanta different from her online game form because I had decided this one was too old and obscure to do anything with. That's how long this has been sitting around.
Basically all I've done is pretty up the formatting, everything else is as it was when I wrote this lass up 3 or more years ago now. So this is more for purposes of historical records than anything that might be particularly groundbreaking, I suspect.
AspalisAspalis is not a name that would immediately spring to mind when asked to name a skilled or legendary hunter. In fact, Aspalis is not particularly a name that would spring to mind ever, as much of her history has been lost. However, her history is key to understanding who Aspalis was as a person.
The Chaste Huntress
Class: Archer
Alternate Classes: None
Alignment: Lawful Good
Parameters:
Strength: D
Endurance: E
Agility: B
Mana: D
Luck: D
Legend:
Aspalis was born and raised in the small Greek colony of Melite, within the verdant and mountainous wooded region of Phthia, a simple girl with a simple family. She lived with her younger brother, Astygites, and her elderly parents at the edge of the township, and as a fit and capable youngster she took up hunting in order to provide adequate food for her parents, who were not fit for tasks such as hunting in their advanced age. She proved to be a natural with a bow and spent most hours of the day hunting in the woodlands, savoring the solitude of her own company. To her, raised to be virtuous and faithful to the gods by her devout parents, the company of others paled in comparison to the quiet beauty of nature.
Life was simple, and Aspalis was admired by others for her chaste nature and her devout faith in the gods, but everything changed when Melite fell under the rule of a cruel and pitiless tyrant. He was so awful and abhorrent a man that the villagers dared not to speak his name, instead dubbing him Tartarus, after the wicked underworld of the evil dead. He was a man with a taste for beautiful girls, and he would regularly issue orders for one of the village girls to be sent up to him to be made his concubine against her will. It soon eventuated that he heard of the simple and chaste beauty of Aspalis and sent word for her to be taken to his palace. When Aspalis heard of the tyrant’s non-negotiable request she was sickened by the very thought of being violated by him. Horrified by the idea of losing her purity and shaming herself in the eyes of the gods, Aspalis took the only other option she could see, hanging herself from the rafters of her family home and fleeing to the afterlife.
When her brother Astygites discovered her dead body he became vengeful and furious, and plotted to kill Tartarus. He took advantage of his youthful form and disguised himself as his sister, hiding a small sword beneath his gown when he entered the palace of Tartarus. The wicked tyrant took him back to his bedchamber, where Astygites promptly ran him through, killing him in the name of his sister. The death caused the villagers to rejoice, throwing the body into the river and then heading to the small farmhouse to retrieve the body of poor, innocent Aspalis. What they discovered when they arrived astounded them, for in the place of Aspalis’ lifeless body stood a finely-crafted wooden statue in the image of the goddess Artemis. The villagers understood that this was a symbol that Aspalis had not been shamed and had instead been embraced by the goddess, and they rejoiced for Aspalis, who had become an immortal and watchful guardian of Melite through the favour of Artemis. Every year from then on a ritual would be held where pure virgins would hang a sacrificial goat in front of the wooden statue to engender the benevolent protection of Aspalis and Artemis.
Independent Action
Class Skills:
The ability to remain independent even when rejecting the prana supply from the Master. At the higher ranks it is also possible to remain for extended periods of time in this world without an established contract.
- B: At this Rank Aspalis is able to survive without a Master for up to two days, and even longer if she is able to fuel herself with prana stolen by her Noble Phantasm, First Blood.
Magic Resistance
Grants protection against magical effects. Differently from the Resistance effect that merely rejects prana, this ability cancels the spells altogether.
- D: Cancel Single-Action spells, and has a minor mitigating effect against stronger or more complex magecraft.
Divinity
Personal Skills:
The measure of how close in heritage one is to a Divine Spirit. Divinity has an effect which reduces special defensive values called "purge defense" in proportion to the Divinity's Rank. It can break through Skills such as Protection of the Faith, if they are not too highly ranked.
- D: Aspalis has traces of divine heritage in her, gifted as she was with divine immortality by Artemis after her death. In addition, it appears that her skill as a hunter was great enough that Aspalis herself was renowned as a minor local deity of the hunt for some Semitic cultures.
Chastity
The purity of a maiden preserved with tenacious dedication. Presents a degree resistance or immunity to mental influences that go against the Servant’s chaste nature. However, morale is lost and Parameters potentially affected if the Servant’s purity is sullied.
- B: Aspalis valued her purity enough to kill herself rather than be violated by the tyrant Tartarus, and she values the same in others around her. Acts as Rank C Bravery in the face of threats of violation, and also provides Rank A immunity to mental influences that would have her go against her own values, as if she possessed the skill Soul of a Martyr. If, however, she is ever somehow stripped of her purity, whether by her own will or against it, she will suffer a permanent Rank Down to her MGI and LCK Parameters, and this skill will become sealed.
Prana Burst [Remote]
Charging projectiles with prana can enhance their movement and damage capacities greatly, transforming them into jet-propelled missiles.
- (-): Lacking a truly powerful method of hunting a foe that would manifest as a Noble Phantasm, Aspalis has instead developed her own variation of the Prana Burst skill, allowing her to overcharge her arrows with excess prana instantly, much in the same way as a Broken Phantasm would be made though with greater speed to the technique. The overcharged arrows can, at higher levels of this ability, operate at a level comparable to Noble Phantasms for a much greater prana cost than they normally would, and at this level of overcharge will explode dangerously on impact. Because this skill has a scaling cost-to-effect ratio it is hard to tell exactly how dangerous her arrows are at a given time, though it’s generally a safe bet to assume that as she racks up her First Blood cumulative strikes she will utilise this skill more and more thanks to the excess prana flowing to her.
First BloodDescription: Aspalis was a skilled hunter, and though she is not well-known by legend she is related by companionship to the Goddess of the Hunt, Artemis. Through her skill and boons provided to her by an ever-watchful Artemis, Aspalis has managed to develop a singular skill of notable value. This is a passive Phantasm that activates only under strict conditions. The first is that Aspalis must be the first person to draw blood from another during the current “battle” or “hunt”, whatever that may be, though where a battle starts and ends is often conceptually defined and, consequently, ill-defined. Secondly, it must be through an arrow that she inflicts the wound, as befits a hunter. Finally, the injured opponent must not have been part of the fulfilment of First Blood’s conditions at any previous time during the Grail War, so others can only be affected by First Blood once.
Arrow of the Divine Huntress
Type: Anti-Unit
Rank: D
Range: 20-40
Targets: 1-??
Once all the conditions are fulfilled First Blood will trigger. When it does, the wound that triggered First Blood will bleed far more profusely than it reasonably should, and will not heal. The injury will leak prana as well as blood, and this prana transfers to Aspalis, topping up her prana to a degree based on the severity of the wound she inflicted. This additional prana flow also induces a Half Rank Up in STR and END, as well as the Magic Resistance skill, up to a maximum Rank of A+ in either parameter or skill.
The parameter & skill enhancements last for as long as the individuals injured by First Blood live, but just like the life/prana regeneration it is cumulative over multiple applications of First Blood, which can quickly make Aspalis a foe to be feared. Enough cumulative effects of First Blood can even provide enough passive prana leech to Aspalis that her Independent Action skill effectively becomes EX level, with enough prana flowing to her to fuel any of her conceivable actions.
Last edited by Vagrant; May 19th, 2015 at 10:47 PM.
Ooh, examples please and thank you?
I don't think I'd have guessed her identity. According to Wikipedia, she's apparently pretty localized.
裸じゃないと意味がない。
I'm all up for obscure heroes, so you've already won quite a few points just for that. Still, given what I saw from her legend, shouldn't her brother been the one to become a Servant instead?
Prana Burst is a Skill to power up all your abilities through magical energy, not just the attacks. Considering that she uses it only to strengthen her arrows, it may have been better to have made this ability a part of her NP.
Speaking of which, I'm completely at loss of words in regards to her NP.
Last edited by Master of Chaos; May 19th, 2015 at 12:10 PM.
Considering she's a Greek hero, shouldn't her stats be higher? Since age and whatnot.
And she does. First Blood represents her growth as a hero from the start to the end. The more First Bloods she gains, the more strong she becomes. I would suppose by the end of her story she was far more powerful than Medusa is.
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They are a family in the end<3
I have commited a horrible crime.
; - ;
Nobody would have guessed her, I think. Super obscure. It's basically just me going "she was associated with Artemis, the goddess of the hunt, and was maaaaaayb a hunter goddess herself in some small circles. Eh, good enough to be an Archer".
Oh yeah, here's the guide I made for basic classes for an expanded roster. I wanted reasonably distinct roles for each individual.
Expanded Servant Class Roster
Her brother wasn't the companion of a divine spirit and possibly venerated as a divine spirit himself in some local circles. Aspalis was. Also at the time I wanted to make an Archer, not an Assassin, so hey.
You can't strengthen your abilities when your prana is not in your body. Hence the "Remote" designation. It's just the "putting prana into your weapon" part of Prana Burst, but better. I set it aside from the NP because they're entirely different functions and attack methods being put in the skills section is not exactly a new thing. In truth, Atalanta's "draw the bow so far to produce a Rank A attack" ended up being at least a little similar anyway so I see no need to change it.
Is there a problem with her NP that I don't see, MoC?
She's minor, so no big stats. Mystery and fame are low, basically. I picture her scraping in with just-above-wraith fame basically. Also, big stats would have denied the concept of First Blood, which is "grow big over time".
Possibly, but First Blood can't be maintained. Hitting all six other servants gives you three ranks to your stats, which is great, but as part of a grail war you have to kill the servants, which ends their prana supply. So by the end of a Grail War she's theoretically back to almost her base stats. She's a low-tier Servant you have to strategise with, not just charge in guns blazing.
Last edited by Vagrant; May 19th, 2015 at 11:02 PM.
Oh hey, Crafter was an idea I had for a new class. Same name, too. I was sick of seeing authors getting dumped into the Caster class.
I have a good idea for a Charmer. It is annoying when you end up dumping people in Caster as a default because they have nothing else of note.
"We don't need martyrs right now. We need heroes. A hero would die for his country, but he'd much rather live for it." -Josiah Bartlet
List of Servants I've made
Class: Caster
True Name: Publius Vergilius Maro, Magus of Purity
Alignment: Neutral Good
Likes: privacy, freedom to work at his own pace.
Dislikes: urban scenarios.
STR: E MGI: A END: E LCK: B AGI: D NP: A
Background:_______________________________________ _________________________________
Spoiler:
Class and Personal Skills:___________________________________________ ________________________
Item Construction: A
It’s the skill to manufacture magical items. Indispensable to create artificial familiars.
Territory Creation: A
It’s the skill to build a special terrain that is advantageous to oneself as a Magus. At this level the creation of a "Temple", which is superior to a "Workshop", becomes possible.
Enchant: A
The skill pertaining the magical ability of improving the attributes and functionalities of a second-party, usually employed to reinforce the battle capabilities of the Servant's Master.
High-Speed Incantation: B
The capacity to recite spells at high speeds.
Noble Phantasms:________________________________________ _________________________________
Omnia Munda Mundis: This Evil Shall Not Taint You
Rank: C
Type: Anti-Unit (Support)
A unique kind of enchantment exclusively reserved to Caster for his use. However, even if originating from the magus’ own fame, rather than a spell to renforce himself it is meant to be cast on second parties, most notably his Master. Throughout his legend, Virgil employed many demonic familiars, from using living artefacts such as the Fly, the Cicada, the Leech, animals usually associated with the powers of darkness, to downright summoning and manipulating devils. He however never abused his powers for evil, but always acted in the interests of the people and petitioners. Because of this, Virgil alone enjoyed a protected status, and not even the full pagan demonization conducted by the Church in the Middle Ages tainted his reputation, which remained immaculate. His nickname when in Naples was ‘Parthenias’, both referring to the city itself (at that time called Parthenope), but also in itself referring to ‘maiden-like’, ‘virginal’, further reinforcing the purity of his being. He was thus nicknamed apparently because his reserved and shy personality. Virgil is not like Faust; he gains the magic arts at no cost to himself, and when in one folktale he finds himself surrounded by eighty thousand devils, he orders them not to bring him treasures but instead to pave a long street.
At the end of each turn, it cancels every ailment accumulated. Every change in status is brought back to what it was at the moment it was cast. It prevents spiritual and magical afflictions to ammass, although it still cannot defend against High-Thaumaturgy and Greater Rituals. Even though it effectively negates the influence of toxins and fatigue accumulating in the body, it cannot however heal wounds.
Black Bombast of Devils: Horde of a Single Eventful Night
Rank: B++
Type: Anti-Fortress
Arguably Caster’s most powerful offensive spell in his arsenal, although as it’s customary for him, it isn’t intended to be harmful to the living.
Using his main Noble Phantasm, Caster can bind to his will thousands of Nature Spirits at the same time. Although he employed this ability in many circumstances, the most famous occurence is probably the one that, according to the legend, produced the Crypta Neapolitana (Latin ‘Neapolitan Crypt’), a perforation through solid rock said to have been performed via prodigious means. The Crypta is a tunnel, built to shorten the trip from Naples to Pozzuoli, over 700 metres (2,300 ft) in length and between 4 to 6 metres (13 to 20 ft) wide, while the height varies from 7 to 30 metres (23 to 98 ft). Even so, Seneca described it as a long, dark and dusty dungeon, an impressive and oppressive narrow path which not even the sixty-four lampposts placed along the road could fully illuminate, except for the summer solstice, in which the coincident sun would shine from one end to the other, lighting up the way all through. ゴゴゴ intensifies...
According to tradition, Virgil built this tunnel in one single night, employing his demonic familiars.
At the end of this tunnel, the very tomb of the poet can be found, as he was buried in his beloved city.
Libro del Comando: Black Book of Binding Spirits
Rank: A
Type: Anti-Unit (Support)
Its nature isn’t just that of a single, simple book of magic, but the resulting compendium of all the grimoires and magical texts Virgil read, studied and collected in his life. It’s a huge tome listing powerful spells and names of spirits, and the ways to summon and control them, even in large numbers. With the help of his magical knowledge, transcribed into this spellbook, Vergilius was said to have accomplished fantastical and impressive feats: from extinguishing all the fires in Rome to turn men and armies immobile, into stone.
The Libro del Comando , sometimes referred to as Libro del Potere (Italian for ‘Book of Control’ and ‘of Power’, respectively) is an old and widespread artefact in the tradition of Italy’s magical lore and history. Several sorcerers, including Agrippa and Pietro d’Abano, were said to have employed it, in one redaction or another, as well the traditional Masca (a witch) in which they transcribed their formulas and remedies used in magical rituals. In some of the most recent traditions, it was said to be written by the Devil himself. It is the very archetype of the ‘book of magic’.
In any case, the tradition appoints the concept of the Libro in his most ancient incarnation to the Mantuan poet, whose spellbook is a cut above for quality and extension when compared to the successive copies and ‘editions’. Mentions of magical books attribuited to Virgil are also found in the accounts of Roger II’s, whose English scholar Ludowicus allows him to finally conquer the city after many attempts and a long siege, only after disturbing the bones of the poet and stealing a book of Ars Notoria kept under his skull and mortal remains, and the Volumen Nigrum Incantatorum (Black Book of Spells) mentioned by Alexander Neckam in his “Secret History of Virgil”.
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I kid you not, there is apparently a rather vast and rich tradition that sees Virgil as a magus, and not from one single source either. Not even with Nasuverse shenanigans where authors are ‘Casters’, no, he’s a true wizard, and with quite the achievements under his belt.
Spoiler:
TL;DR Virgil is a cool magus who predicted the birth of Jesus Christ and gave lessons to Merlin. And he was so loved that even with the fame of a pagan and a sorcerer, even the Church of the Dark Ages thought he was a swell dude.
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