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    Quote Originally Posted by food View Post
    No. They are separate universes, with the only overlapping point being Ahnererbe (the cafe).
    I recall Aoko mentioning she has a sister, is this a different person from Aozaki Touko?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mare Boy View Post
    I recall Aoko mentioning she has a sister, is this a different person from Aozaki Touko?
    It is Touko, but it is the Touko in the Tsukihime/Fate Universe. If you want to link a deed to this version of Touko, it is the one who crafted Shirou's puppet body post Heaven's Feel.

    Tsukihime and Fate share the same universe, while KnK stands alone and runs parallel to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by food View Post
    No. They are separate universes, with the only overlapping point being Ahnererbe (the cafe).
    Eh, remind me, was that ever stated verbatim or is that an inference?
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    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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    Why can't Touko meet Arcueid again? I still think this separate universes thing is a bit silly, and was probably referring to narrative stuff rather than dimensional metaphysics.

    It's all just a wibbly wobbly blob of stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeopardBear View Post
    Eh, remind me, was that ever stated verbatim or is that an inference?
    You may infer from this.
    Ahnenerbe (Location)
    A cafe where meetings and dates takes place. The strawberry pie there is said to be unmatched.
    The only link with another tale.
    Sometimes, foreign vampires and habit-wearing nuns come to have tea.
    The plural is just a bad habit of mine. The "foreign vampire" is supposed to be Arc, and "habit-wearing nun" is supposed to be Ciel.

    As well as the "Touko would not have taken the path she took to reach the Root if she knew about True Ancestors" blurb (which I still could not understand why it was used as proof that Touko and Arc could not be in the same universe).

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    Quote Originally Posted by food View Post
    You may infer from this.
    Point taken, though that doesn't mean KnK specifically. Could mean Notes, or Tsuki 2, etc.

    As well as the "Touko would not have taken the path she took to reach the Root if she knew about True Ancestors" blurb.
    Why do we expect her to know?
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    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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    Quote Originally Posted by LeopardBear View Post
    Point taken, though that doesn't mean KnK specifically. Could mean Notes, or Tsuki 2, etc.
    It's nudging you towards Tsukihime so hard, you might fall on your face.

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    Why do we expect her to know?
    Something something Arc is what Touko is looking for. If she knew about Arc's existence, she would not have started in the first place. Something something.
    It's just hear-say that's been perpetuating forever. I don't actually know where it came from, personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by food View Post
    It's nudging you towards Tsukihime so hard, you might fall on your face.
    Hey, it's ​possible.
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    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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    It's all from something on one of those plus discs, I think. The gist being that main characters aren't going to be bumping into each other, but side characters can do whatever they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeopardBear View Post
    Point taken, though that doesn't mean KnK specifically. Could mean Notes, or Tsuki 2, etc.
    Sorry, let me clarify.

    The actual entry I posted was from the dictionary of KnK. It is alluding to Tsukihime (with the foreigner vampire and nun).

    The inference is that, the two universe are independent of each other, with the cafe being the single point joining the two universes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Why can't Touko meet Arcueid again? I still think this separate universes thing is a bit silly, and was probably referring to narrative stuff rather than dimensional metaphysics.

    It's all just a wibbly wobbly blob of stuff.
    First, Arcueid said she and Touko from "KnK" cannot meet because it would create inconsistencies (same with Ryougi and Tohno). And second, she said that Tohno meeting someone like Asagami Fujino would not be a problem. Also, take a look at Ryougi's win quote against Arc in MBAA.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Quote Originally Posted by food View Post
    The inference is that, the two universe are independent of each other, with the cafe being the single point joining the two universes.
    But that's already working from the implicit assumption that each "story" is a different universe. It doesn't actually say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    First, Arcueid said she and Touko from "KnK" cannot meet because it would create inconsistencies (same with Ryougi and Tohno). And second, she said that Tohno with someone like Asagami Fujino would not be a problem. Also, take a look at Ryougi's win quote against Arc in MBAA.
    Post quotes.

    Words are wind, but quotes crush spines.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    But that's already working from the implicit assumption that each "story" is a different universe. It doesn't actually say that.
    アーネンエルベ【あーねんえるべ】【地名】
      待ち合わせに使われる喫茶《きっさ 》店。ストロベリーパイが絶品だとか。
      違う物語との唯一の接点。

      たまに、外来の吸血鬼とか法衣姿のシスターとかがお茶を飲んでいたりする。

    The word used is "接点". I interpret it as emphasizing how the two universes are segregated.
    If you want to be hardcore, one of its meanings is "tangential point".
    Last edited by food; March 20th, 2012 at 12:08 AM.

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    And I interpret it as emphasizing how the two stories are segregated. Because that's what it says lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by food View Post
    Post quotes.

    Words are wind, but quotes crush spines.
    I don't have the screenshot at the moment, but you can see the win quote here at 2:45:

    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crown View Post
    Muahahaha, so they are separate worlds.
    This thing should be pinned since it always comes up.

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    Can't meet each other doesn't mean separate worlds. (Yes I am ignoring the second paragraph)
    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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    Prove to me that he's talking about different universes in the Zelretch sense, and not just being meta about plot consistency. You can't, nyah!

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    You forget BL Rule #2, always take things literally. Assume no exaggeration or hyperbole unless Nasu stated otherwise.

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