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Who knows, summon whatever you want, we don't need limits
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Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions IThough abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Well, if you take the Rakkyo event seriously Lancer Alter says she is a representation of the Wild Hunt, so going full fanon you can throw that side of the King Arthur onto her or something.
Also this is the thread for that.
Last edited by yokushi; April 12th, 2016 at 11:22 AM.
Get back on topic.
[04:55] Lianru: i3uster is actuallly quite cute
Anyways, here is the sheet that has been the topic of discussion today. Here is my 25th servant!
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Class: Assassin (Also can be summoned as Rider)
True Name: Elizabeth Tudor I
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Place of Origin: England
Strength- D
Endurance- E
Agility- C
Mana- D
Luck- A+
NP- B
Height/Weight: 160cm/50kg
Likes: Exhibisionism, The limitless possibilities of the future.
Dislikes: Societal expectation, The word 'No'.
Talent: Golden era of rule.
Natural Enemy: Her useless father
Class Skills:
- Presence Concealment (-) - Due to the users Noble Phantasm, this ability has been sealed.
Personal Skills:
- Charisma (A) - Can be said to have achieved the greatest level of popularity as a human being. Creating the image of "The Virgin Queen", Elizabeth lead England into a golden age and is well regarded by her people hundreds of years after her death.
- Eye for Art (B) - An infatuation with works of art. Elizabeth was a true patron of the arts, turning England into a centre of culture the like of William Shakespeare could flourish. If she sees a Noble Phantasm or Heroic spirit with artistic anecdotes, there is a great chance she will be able to discern its name.
- Grace of God (C) - The greatest body and good looks, a skill that denotes the "beauty of royalty". Elizabeth was considered a true beauty among all of Europe in her youth until she contracted smallpox and was left with a sizable scar on her face.
Noble Phantasms
Lore
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Thanks to asterism for the inspiration, I've tried to work it so both fit into canon. I understand her first Noble Phantasm may be wanked but she's the most famous Queen of my country so screw it.
Feel free to tear her apart at your leisure.
Last edited by Bird of Hermes; May 9th, 2016 at 01:08 PM. Reason: Added Link
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Nice job on the Elizabeth sheet. Skills fit her well, though I'd dispute her having Eye For Art higher then freaking Beethoven. Just supporting the arts shouldn't put one on the same level (much less higher) as one recognized to be one of the most famous composers of all time.
Walsingham is... interesting. Frankly, I don't see the obvious connection between 'spy network' and 'acting like Hanged Man from JJBA'. If anything, it seems more like something asheet would have. Though I understand you didn't want to go with the generic 'familiars to spy and gather information' approach (like I used for my Richard Nixon sheet). Second NP is very fitting and creative. Finally, I love the Bioshock Infinite faceclaim.Bloody MaryMary Tudor
Last edited by RoydGolden; April 12th, 2016 at 04:02 PM.
Eye For Art is an infatuation with art rather than how good you are at it, but you're right- lowered it to B.
As for the first Noble Phantasm... Yeah, it was the only way I could make her Assassin-y. As for her sister Mary, I have a different idea for her. Thanks for the feedback!
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Fair enough, I suppose. Was never entirely sure how that Skill worked. Amusingly, after you changed the ranking but before you commented, I got confused and started wondering whether it was always B and I just misread it as A (possibly conflating it with her Charisma ranking). I was even about to go back and change my own comment before you put yours out clarifying matters!
Also, now you have the added benefit of her Skills being ranked in alphabetical order (A~B~C).
Mary Queen of Scots wasn't the same person as Mary Tudor (whose legend was conflated with Bloody Mary) though. At least I'm pretty sure they were distinct individuals.
You're welcome!
Last edited by RoydGolden; April 12th, 2016 at 04:42 PM.
Sometimes sheets get overlooked, most of us have had one where no one said anything about it. As for your wild huntsman variant, I never saw to begin with so sorry I missed her.
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There wasn't really much to say, to be honest. There were no glaring errors to be fixed, it was just... fine.
Anyway, do you know what I think would be cool to see? A Rider class Medea. There was that legend of her riding a dragon-pulled chariot, and she did have the Golden Fleece if nothing else, right?
And before anybody says it, yes I know one's already on this thread. I've read it and it's... well, I'd like to see somebody else's take on the concept, is all I'm saying.
Anyway, here's Guinevere!
Caster!Guinevere
I also made a Berserker Guinevere, but I haven't got an NP for her.
Berserker!Guinevere
Naw, some things are inherently offensive. Let me put it like this: would you be fine with calling a fictional black character a monkey? Even though they don't act like an animal at all and the only reason you would be calling them that is because of their black skin - thereby, automatically equating "having black skin" with "being a monkey"?
That's great and I'm sure you're absolutely right but it's a losing battle and you're just going to derail the thread.
The thing is though that fictional men who are visually designed as women in order to trick people are, quite literally, traps. It is the intended purpose of them. It is specifically for the amusement value of "haha you thought this was a woman but really it is a man".
That is not to say this is the case for every instance of men being designed to look like women but it is an underlying contributive aspect to the majority of traps. Hence why they are called traps. I don't know if it's particularly offensive to term a trope or a character design trait after the very thing it is meant to evoke. If you want to argue whether the intent underlying the deliberate design choice of "dude looks like a lady" is offensive because of the reinforcement of particular social attitudes it potentially promotes then you're likely to have a far more interesting discussion and more valid arguments to make, I think. But the name? Not so much.
As for Guinevere, she's... Well she's about as interesting as I would expect a Guinevere to be, which is to say she's as interesting as watching paint dry.
This isn't your fault, it's just that there's really not enough to spin her into an interesting profile sheet, like I've said before. There's probably plenty of intwresting avenues to explore regarding her character, but her design aspects? All I get from this is she's pretty and she has a castle that doesn't really do much. She's supportive/defensive to what seems to be a fault. There's no indication at all of what she could do to win a war.
Frankly, Guinevere is a subpar Heroic Servant and it would take a lot to work around that so I don't blame you. Why the substantial personality change between classes? I mean I assume it's ME but your comments make it sound kind of like it is meant to be something else, even though in all cases she knows the entirety of her life and what her actions resulted in. So aside from ME I don't see much reason for her personality to alter. But ME is a good enough reason, I'm just making an aside comment.
The personality change makes sense as these two versions of Guinevere are before and after the reveal of the affair, and in original Arthurian lore this drastic change actually happened.
You've done well Crying as the original legend had basically nothing of note in her (aside from the riding skill) so you've done as much as basically anyone can. I have 2 things to say however:
1) Parameters, the gap between the two classes isn't great in terms of physical power, comparing the berserker and assassin jump with Jekyll I would make either caster weaker or berserker stronger. Or both. If you wanna cheat like I did with Cassandra of Troy, use double summon and fuse the two sheets together.
2) Second Noble Phantasm. This is tricky but if you take the route of my Elizabeth sheet of empowering others, you could mirror the tale of when Lancelot went mad and killed Gawains brothers so save her, it could act as inflicting one of the knightly figures drawn towards her is afflicted with the mad enhancement and goes on a rampage or something.
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But the trope was named after a derogatory term already used to refer to real-life trans-people, not the other way around; we can't - or rather, shouldn't - just ignore that the whole purpose of that term was to be offensive to them. To go back to the race analogy, this would be like calling a fictional black character a "nigger" and expect it to not be offensive at all because, well, it's just describing a character design trait, right?
Hmm. You have a point that the term is problematic, but I wouldn't say it's too bad as long as its reserved to fictional characters (who, as Vagrant pointed out, are intended to 'trick' the audience). Also most so-called 'traps' are not actually transgender (such characters are as rare in anime as they are in any other variety of media, alas), but rather crossdressers. Bridget (probably the most famous example thereof, at least around these parts) has a big part of his personality his desire to 'prove' himself as a 'real man'. (Though he still wears feminine clothes because???)
I'm not making this my hill to die on or anything. I personally don't feel the term is (that) offensive, but to be sure we'd have to ask what actual trans people think on the matter. At the very least, I'm 99% sure that people using the term would never dream of using it on a real person, so that's something at least.
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This is my second attempt at creating a Servant. Tried to not make him so overpowered, but I'm not sure if I should have given him Double Summon.
Class: Assassin/Caster
True Name: Yáahl (Raven)
Place of Origin: Queen Charlotte Islands, Canada
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Appearance: When first summoned, Raven will take this form.. However, due to his Shapeshift skill, he will quickly take another form to disguise himself. His true form is that of a Raven the size of a bear.
Parameters:
Strength: D (E)
Agility: C (E)
Endurance: C (E)
Magic: A (E)
Luck: A
Noble Phantasm: B (E)
Class Skills:
Presence Concealment - D
Item Construction - A
Territory Creation - E
Personal Skills:
Shapeshift - A+
Yáahl can take any form that he pleases
Double Summon - B
Yáahl can be summoned with the attributes of both the Assassin and the Caster class.
Divinity - EX
Yáahl is commonly depicted as a trickster spirit in the legends of the people of the Pacific Northwest; however, he is also claimed by some to be the creator of the world. Under normal circumstances, he would only be possible to summon as a Pseudo-Servant, possessing the body of a human in order to anchor himself to the world.
Raven Tales - Rank -
Not so much a skill so much as it is state of being. A catalogue of all the tales that all the indigenous cultures spoke of the Raven. As a result, while the Assassin/Caster double class will always be retained, the Raven's skills, Noble Phantasms, and even True Name will vary wildly depending on what summoning catalyst is used.
Noble Phantasm:
Stealing the Light: Guise of a Child (Anti-Self, C)
A Noble Phantasm allowing for a perfect infiltration. While Yáahl's shapeshift skill allows for the changing of his form, it will not conceal his nature as a Servant. This Noble Phantasm will accomplish just that; after undergoing a very convincing transformation, Yáahl will appear to outsiders as an ordinary human with all his parameters hidden, and also gain the skill Independent Action A+ for as long as the Noble Phantasm is active. However, this comes at the cost of reducing all of his parameters except for Luck to E, sealing his Shapeshift skill, and reducing the number of companions he can summon from The Clamshell. Once Yáahl has accomplished his objective and wishes to restore his true power, he can release the True Name of this Noble Phantasm, losing all of its benefits but restoring all of his previous abilities. An orb of magical light bright as the sun will also be summoned, giving Yáahl either a distraction for his escape, an energy source, or a one use attack.
The Clamshell: The First Men (Anti-Army, A)
According to one myth, Yáahl found the first men by coaxing them out of a clamshell. Yáahl still has this shell in his possession and can use it as a catalyst to summon these early humans into the world. The more humans he releases from the shell, the greater the prana cost; while Raven can summon an entire village from the shell in his normal state, if Stealing the Light is active, he can only support one. The individuals summoned from the shell are nameless and have no Noble Phantasms, but still have the attributes and parameters of Servants, allowing them to not die instantly from an encounter with enemy Servants.
Lore and Personality:
Spoiler:
Last edited by Constructman; April 17th, 2016 at 03:44 PM.
Yeah, she's... meh. I started her on a whim and I just wanted to finish her, to be honest.
Thanks for the input, but at this point I'm just happy I finished her. I probably won't go back and edit her stats or give Berserker Guinevere an NP.