Could be argued that the Gil summoned in Prototype is a younger version of him. Like a teenager, maybe. After he got arrogant but before he became a dick.
Originally Posted by Sandstorm77
He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
Originally Posted by AvengerEmiya
Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
Originally Posted by Five_X
Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly
Yes. Zero is canon, but at the same time it is another legend different from ‘Fate/stay night’.
If we have to define it, it’s an extra part spin out of canon story. It's a unique leaf of a melody that Urobuchi Gen conducted from a completely Fate-ish trunk. Here, you don’t have to consider the content of the ‘Fate/stay night’ game. Only move the story according to your wishes, let the characters shown portray themselves to the fullest and rush towards the ending without regret.
It's canon but it's in a slightly different world.
Fair enough. Though I still get the impression that Proto Gil is younger than S/N Gil.
Originally Posted by Sandstorm77
He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
Originally Posted by AvengerEmiya
Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
Originally Posted by Five_X
Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly
I've wondered for a while, but is it possible to translate Brynhildr Romantia's title as 'Til Death do us Part'?
死がふたりを分断つまで Passion lip NP
死がふたりを分かつまで 'Till Death do us Part
You can but Passionlip's NP is a pun off it or at least a reference, so to preserve that you wouldn't. But if you don't care about the pun and want to go for simple to-read-meaning, sure why not.
Maybe like Until Death Severs Us into Parts.
Last edited by You; January 28th, 2015 at 12:21 PM.
Her life sucked so hard she's on Bad End autopilot. I would say I want to give her a hug and tell her everything is going to be alright, but that would just get me stabbed.
Thematically I think she'd fit more as a Rider, since Valkyrie, but her life was so awful and tragic she's the perfect Lancer.
Originally Posted by Sandstorm77
He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
Originally Posted by AvengerEmiya
Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
Originally Posted by Five_X
Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly
Hah, yeah. Had I done the Third War fic she and Saber would have ended up as the last two still sustaining themselves after the Lesser Grail was shot to pieces, and she would have killed Dietrich before offing herself, overcoming Tohsaka's CS commands to stay with him because he had come to love her in his own way. And then grieving Tohsaka takes his captive Edelfelt girl as a shitty consolation prize.
Bad Ends all around.
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Originally Posted by asterism42
Thematically I think she'd fit more as a Rider, since Valkyrie, but her life was so awful and tragic she's the perfect Lancer.
She has nothing especially suitable to ride though. At least not as a "no-longer-valkyrie" human. And since CCC gave her a spear NP she was doomed to be a tragic Lancer.
Hah, yeah. Had I done the Third War fic she and Saber would have ended up as the last two still sustaining themselves after the Lesser Grail was shot to pieces, and she would have killed Dietrich before offing herself, overcoming Tohsaka's CS commands to stay with him because he had come to love her in his own way. And then grieving Tohsaka takes his captive Edelfelt girl as a shitty consolation prize.
Bad Ends all around.
It's funny that the simplest explanation is that the Edelfelt and the Tohsaka Master had a Romeo and Juliet sub-plot that didn't end tragically, but so many authors seem enamored of the idea of making it incredibly fucked up -- she was brainwashed or blackmailed or he just settled for her due to familial pressure to strengthen the bloodline. As if the Third War wasn't grim enough.
Last edited by Imperial; January 28th, 2015 at 02:31 PM.
To be honest, without Brynhildr it was just going to be a forbidden love that they consummated successfully in the end, but once I added her into the mix I went Full Tragedy.
I'm not criticizing the notion. More an observation
I think Elf was the only person who was going to play the love-across-the-battlefield bit straight. Most of the people I've talked to about it like to introduce a loveless arranged marriage or magical mind-wipes or anything else to make it horrible and tragic.
I feel like in mine Tohsaka and Edelfelt would have come to love each other, it was just that since the families were seemingly in shambles after the war and Tohsaka was pining for someone he could never have since she turned back into Graildust it was easier for them to marry and bonk their misery away by using sexual alchemy to transmute it into
Magic Resistance (C): Cancels spells two verses or shorter
Riding (C): Can handle most mundane beasts and vehicles.
Personal Skills
Magecraft (C+): Capable of performing orthodox magecraft. During life, Saber specialized in charm magic.
Charisma (C): Capable of leading an army. Even before going to war, Saber was known countrywide for her strength and beauty.
Code of Conduct (A): Raises parameters while adhering to a code of honor though self-hypnosis.
STR and END are increased as long as Saber acts according to Albanian rules of engagement. Conversely,
if Saber breaks these rules, she suffers a rank-down to all parameters.
Noble Phantasms
Djubletah~Mystic Gown of Beauty (C, Anti-Unit)
An amplifier Mystic Code that Saber created herself. It is a traditional Albanian woman's dress woven with alchemical materials in such a way
that Saber can perform charm magecraft with incredible efficiency while wearing it. It enhances her already incredible beauty to angelic levels
and can wear down those with Magic Resistance or similar skills with sustained use. It was this Mystic Code that led the people to compare
Saber to legendary beauties such as Helen or Brynhilde.
Malsor~False Utopia (B, Support)
Saber's legend would have one believe that this Noble Phantasm is the "magical dagger" that she carries, but it is actually just
a typical Azoth dagger that many a mage carries. The true Noble Phantasm is actually the dagger's sheath, which is a failed attempt
by Saber's ancestor to recreate the power of the King of Knights. Nevertheless, it is an excellent tool in battle that has been passed
down to Saber as her second Mystic Code. While is does not provide immortality, it rapidly accelerates the healing process, allowing
Saber to recover from grievous wounds in a fraction of the time.
Background
Nora of Kelmendi was a 17th-century Albanian woman now legendary for her beauty and valor.
She is sometimes referred to as the "Helen of Albania" as her beauty also sparked a great war.
She is also called the Albanian Brynhildr too, for she herself was the greatest woman warrior in the history of Albania.
Nora’s father, a noble warrior and mage, wanted a son to help him fight against the Ottoman Empire and to pass down his knowledge.
When Nora was born, he abandoned her at an orphanage. His sister, knowing the doings of her brother, adopted Nora and raised her
as a boy, sympathizing with the girl at not being chosen to carry on the family secrets. Nora's biological father, having the
desire to train an apprentice, decided to train the adopted "son" of his sister. Hence, unknowingly, he trained his own daughter
to become a fighter and a mage. As she grew up, Nora proved adept at charm spells and was reputed to be the most beautiful girl
in Malsia. It is said that she was as pretty as a true Zana (a mountain fairy). Her fame spread through the whole country.
A pasha named Vutsi who resided nearby heard of her too, and fell in love with Nora upon setting eyes on her.
Being from nearby Bosnia, which followed similar traditions to Albania, the pasha wanted to marry her by the laws of the Albanian
Canon, which meant he would send a trusted man to Nora’s house and ask for her hand. However, Nora's family replied that the
Albanian Canon did not allow for marriages with non-Albanians. The pasha was not accustomed to such refusal and kept a harem of
women from far and wide. He flew into a rage and declared, "Either Nora will become my wife or I will burn all of Malsia to ashes!"
Vutsi then led his army and besieged Malsia. Nora had proved to be a warrior, but now she had to prove that she was wise too,
in order to spare Malsia from destruction. So she devised a plan to kill the angry Bosnian. She pretended to want to
marry Vutsi without the permission of her family. Dressed in her special charmed dress, she went to the pasha's tent.
Seeing her, Vutsi fell on his knees and began to pray, believing she was a true gift from heaven. The pasha ordered his troops
to rest and prepare for celebration. The soldiers happily put down their arms and celebrated by drinking and smoking.
When all was quiet around the pasha's tent, Nora retrieved a war dagger that her father had given her, a dagger that had been
passed through her family for many generations. It was believed the dagger had magical powers, for no one who had carried it
had died from wounds inflicted by opponents— highly unusual at that time and in this turbulent region. Nora stabbed the pasha,
kicked him on back of his head, and choked him so he could not scream. The pasha fell on his rug. At that point Nora could no
longer stab him because by Albanian custom, it is dishonorable to strike a man who is not standing or to hit a man who does
not fight back. Nora fled and, as planned, the army of Malsia attacked the Ottomans, catching them by surprise.
The pasha survived his wounds, gathered his own special unit and followed Nora to her home.
As the armies fought, several of the Ottomans broke away from the main body of the army to attack the villages.
Nora led an army of 300 women against the Ottomans who had set off to burn, pillage and rape. In battle, Nora came
face to face with Vutsi and his personal guard and killed him in a fair duel.
Making her a Caster was out because making her a mage at all was a bit of a stretch and Assassin wouldn't work with her code of honor, so Saber it is.
Last edited by Funderfullness; January 28th, 2015 at 09:05 PM.
"We don't need martyrs right now. We need heroes. A hero would die for his country, but he'd much rather live for it." -Josiah Bartlet
The nice thing about this thread is all the learning of people you'd otherwise never have heard of.
Originally Posted by Sandstorm77
He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
Originally Posted by AvengerEmiya
Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
Originally Posted by Five_X
Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly
Originally Posted by Sandstorm77
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