STOP ME IF YOU CAN MORON!Originally Posted by Arch-Magos Winter
STOP ME IF YOU CAN MORON!
My +10 Frost Axe is ready.
^Keep talking. You've lost already.
Leo can I please at least respond to Ad hominim attacks?
Last edited by Arch-Magos Winter; July 23rd, 2013 at 10:57 PM.
Still no end in sight...
NASUVERSE STAMPEDE!!!
"Bolivar received a letter from the then-old Marquis de Lafayette on behalf of the family of George Washington, along with a gold medallion coined after the capitulation at Yorktown. It read, "The second Washington of the New World." Bolivar was deeply moved.
Simon Bolivar began vigorously rebuilding and administering the devastated new states. He was at the height of his power when he convened a congress of Latin American republics in Panama in 1826. He envisioned a league of the fledgling Central and South American nations, but he was far ahead of his time."
The medal seems to hold enough history to be an NP. As with the possibility of an RM-sword, the key part of his legacy was the unification of Latin America in the Amphictyonic Congress. That should be important enough.
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No I haven't and no you can't!
Not that he's allowed to do that but you have far long forfeited that.
This is how I choose to imagine this entire discussion.
Except the obstacles are T-M mechanics.
Ok.
I just don't understand what the problem is. I downgraded him as much as a normal Heroic Spirit can be downgraded and gave him a Noble Phantasm that has basis on his legend (the Winter campaign, the medallion, the Congress of Panama) so I don't get what's wrong now.
We've said it before - He's too recent to have the sort of stats to get that.
Also, if normal HS's were about as powerful as him normally, well, we wouldn't need the Berserker class then would we?
I think the best you can do is to check the other created servants in the thread and compare them to yours. Might highlight a thing or two.
We don't know how weak a Servant needs to be to be placed in the Berserker class, so that leaves us blank there.
STR: B
DEF: B
AGL: C+
MGI: B
LCU: B+
NP: C+
Is this too much? Which should go down?
Waaay to high. Again. All of it needs to go down.
Give him 1 stat at B. And this stat should be Luck.
That's it, he does not have a reason to have higher. He is modern and has no notable physical deeds.
His Prana/MGI stat should be low, there is nothing magic about him.
Yes!
Use the index on page 1!
I'll update it one day!
I'd suggest
STR D
END C
AGI B
LUK C
For base parameters if you want a healthy compromise.
Tell me lies, tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...
On the subject of Servants, I'll post up one that I made as a 9-month anniversary present for EXiku. She enjoyed it, and while it's relatively simple it should be nice enough.
Servant: ???
Class: Saber
Appearance:Spoiler:
Background:Spoiler:Spoiler:
Class Skills:
Magic Resistance – C+
- Saber is, ultimately, a man from the modern world, but due to his experiences in other realms has gained a decent resistance to magical effects.
Riding – C
- Not particularly known for his ability to ride, as he was born in modern times, Saber nonetheless makes a capable cavalry commander – especially when combined with his experiences in the fantasy realm he was transported to by the king's evil vizier.
Personal Skills:
Military Tactics – A
- When transported to the land of deserts and magic he inhabited for many years, torn from his home, Saber learned that his skills in battle would be more helpful to him than his social intrigues. He forged his own kingdom to fight those who had taken his beloved, and when they were finally reunited, he was brought with magic back to the real world, though it had taken many years. He was a young conqueror in his own right, and a warrior too, and earned the respect of those he led into battle despite having come into this new world with little but his clothes and his (non-magical) weapons.
Lost Hero – A+
- Saber was born in times closer to our own, not being native to the ordeals of myth and legend that so many older heroes had to face. However, due to shenanigans involving a traitorous vizier, Saber was transported to a mysterious fantasy realm for some years along with his love, whom he quested to find in this new world. He had to fight many powerful monsters and overcome obstacles that would have been formidable even for the great classical heroes; because of this, despite his youth compared to them, he is well adapted to the same trials they went through. Because of this, his parameters are higher than they would normally be for a hero of his era, and in contests of mystery, age, and legend, Saber can match heroes that are up to three thousand years his senior by drawing on his harsh experiences in the fantasy realm he was unwittingly forced into.
Quick to Learn – C
- Having a quick wit and an adaptable mind saved Saber on many occasions, and this went beyond being able to learn languages and skills at a rapid pace. He successfully engaged himself in clever intrigues in the courts of European kings, though many of his attempts to disguise himself and his heritage failed miserably. Ultimately, though, it is his strong mind that allowed him to save his beloved and return to the real world.
Noble Phantasm(s):
Shamshir-e Zomorrodnegar – The Emerald Scimitar – A
Anti-Unit
A magical sword with the ability to cause wounds that cannot be healed by any spell save for a magical potion made with the brains of the monster that was once its master: Fulad-zereh, a demon and a general in the army of the king Malek Khazen. Fulad-zereh had great horns on his head and was taller than any normal man, but worst of all, his entire body was invulnerable, and it was because of this that he was able to spearhead the armies of Malek Khazen. The king's forces conquered far and wide, and none could kill the great demon Fulad-zereh. Until, of course, the demon faced Amir Arslan.
The Shamshir was in the possession of Fulad-zereh; the sword once belonged to King Solomon, and was highly prized by the demon general. Most people believed that this was so because of its value and history, not to mention its power, but the truth was that the Shamshir was the only weapon that could cut through Fulad-zereh's skin. Arslan, with his cunning, stole the Shamshir from Fulad-zereh and the enraged demon attacked him and his army. The battle was long and bloody, but Arslan came out victorious, and thus defeated his mighty rival, leaving only Malek Khazen himself to stop Arslan from reuniting with his love, Farokh Lagha.
As a weapon the Shamshir is incredible, with remarkable sharpness and durability, and few can survive its blade. One of its greatest strengths, though, comes in its ability to take on whichever property it may need in order to bypass a foe's natural resistances – no armour, magical or otherwise, can stop the blade of Shamshir-e Zomorrodnegar from striking true. With this sword in his hand and his mind focused and ready, Arslan can take on enemies that would otherwise overpower him in every respect.
Stats:
Strength - C
Agility - A
Magic - D+
Luck - A+
Endurance – C
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Too bad Amir Arslan the story isn't actually translated into English at all. The best I've got is a Farsi kid's book version on my computer and a few English summaries of the story itself, so much of the profile is based on that and evidential conjecture as a result.
<NEW FIC!> Revolution #9: Somewhere out there, there's a universe in which your mistakes and failures never happened, and all you wished for is true. How hard would you fight to make that real?
[11:20:46 AM] GlowStiks: lucina is supes attractive
[12:40] Lace: lucina is amazing
[12:40] Neir: lucina is pretty much flawless
I trust that all the more coming from Caren.
The biggest problem with the 1800s Servants, just to give comment with an idea, is that they haven't had much time to accumulate power.
Look at Li Shuwen in EXTRA; mind you, he's an Assassin, but he's a fighting assassin famous for being a top-tier martial artist. He gets Strength: B, Endurance: C, Agility: A, Mana: E, Luck: E. Literally nothing exceptional besides his agility and this is the guy who can Fist of the North Star you into a pulp with one blow in the 1800s.
Compare with Jack the Ripper in Apocrypha - she's got Strength: C, Endurance: C, Agility: A, Mana: C, Luck: E. That's the total accumulated mythology of Jack the Ripper and it only gets her a single stat above B.
Basically, the price you pay for being a modern guy is that you frankly have no accumulated power or mythology sufficient to pull your weight as a Heroic Spirit. You not only don't add to the Servant container, you actively drag it down - you're like Gilles being formatted for the Caster class with his junky Magic stat, but in the case of a modern hero, it's not because you don't qualify, it's because you haven't qualified yet. You're just coming too early and you're still the novice newbie in the Heroic Pantheon.
Mind you, I think the last set of stats you posted are a lot closer. Ds are probably being too cruel to your guy - I wouldn't listen to that one - but As and Bs are just really hard to rationalize for a modern hero outside of Luck.
Last edited by Sunny; July 23rd, 2013 at 11:32 PM.
Meh, if we go with the Saber container, I'd go B strength(bought up by the class container), C agility, C endurance, C luck and E Mana. If he was a Rider; C/D strength, B Agility, D Endurance, E Mana, D luck.
ARCHER has D strength, his class is not supposed to excel there.
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