Eh, this is the biggest flaw in the "all legends are true and all Servants were actually stronger alive than they are now" thing. It just leads to a total mess of conflicting mythology.
Eh, this is the biggest flaw in the "all legends are true and all Servants were actually stronger alive than they are now" thing. It just leads to a total mess of conflicting mythology.
Technically all legends are not true as we have seen time and time again, and often when they are they are not true in the way we would expect them to.
Araya, what do you seek?
「アラヤ、何を求める」
------True wisdom.「――――真の叡智を」
Araya, where do you seek it?「アラヤ、何処に求める」
Only within myself.「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
Araya, what is your favorite color?「アラヤ、好きな色は？」
Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!「青、いや、オレンジイイイイイアアアっ！」
Yeah, cuz' if the Mahabarata guys could actually nuke galaxies Gilgamesh would have no business claiming to be the strongest Hero/Servant ever. The likes of Karna, Arjuna, etc., would metaphorically sh*t all over him and his Gate and even Ea.Originally Posted by Vagrant
Except it's not true. The more famous you are, the more the King kills you dead.
This here was the reason I made Wallace an Assassin; if this isn't the mentality of an Assassin, I don't know what is:
I still suppose summoning him as one may be a bit overkill, but then again that could be exactly what his Master wants! For Unstealable Freedom, I'd say the power of his allies in the current Grail War to make it less overpowered (under ...normal circumstances anyway).
Actually there does look to be multiple Fionn, one being the leader of the Fianna and the other the magical giant in Irish/Manx folklore, though the Salmon of Knowledge features in both their legends. The reason I went with thumbsucking was to highlight his seemingly childish nature. Also, pretty much everything Heracles did never made it as a Noble Phantasm (unless you consider them all grouped under God Hand).
While we're on the subject of chessmasters like Fionn, I thought it best to bring up a certain someone, if only to introduce a few non-Lancer Chinese heroes:
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Last edited by NailsInYourFeet; May 25th, 2012 at 11:10 PM.
Have you read Fate/Stay Night, NailsInYourFeet? No offense, but your profiles feel very disconnected from how the Nasuverse usually feels. Their function are after all to simulate that effect. I will personally say that the chaotic layout you have, the brief or non-existent skill descriptions, the vagueness of the Noble Phantasms and the sheer volume of Servants per post make it quite hard for me to look them through without wanting to do something else.
It reminds me of Fate/Apocrypha's style.
<NEW FIC!> Revolution #9: Somewhere out there, there's a universe in which your mistakes and failures never happened, and all you wished for is true. How hard would you fight to make that real?
[11:20:46 AM] GlowStiks: lucina is supes attractive
[12:40] Lace: lucina is amazing
[12:40] Neir: lucina is pretty much flawless
I must admit, the Servants I've posted here have been more rough drafts than anything, most of them were just typed up in their posts alone.
But in retrospect, definitely agree with you that the layout could use some sprucing up though. Disagree on the number of Servants per post, I've never gone over three so I don't see how that's too hard to handle (except in conjunction with the other points you brought up).
Well, yeah, that's what I said. Its obviously not true or Gilgamesh wouldn't be the strongest Heroic Spirit and everybody would be trying to summon the Mahabrata guys. Sorry it I wasn't clearer.
I liked Zhuge, though he's pretty much screwed if you figure out he's a faker.
I liked Sun too (though I would have gone with the more obvious image personally), but I think you should cut summoning her original attendants. It's enough that she can recruit women to become her new attendants and summoning actual allies is supposed to be a huge deal in the Nasuverse unless said allies were famous mounts and you are a Rider.
Dante... somehow he didn't click with me. Maybe it was the final NP (which seemed off to me somehow; maybe because of the thought that he has an unloackable, undodgeable instant-win button if he gets to the very end, rendering the final battle anti-climatic), but I feel like he could have been done better, though I am not sure how.
I think that was the point. Doing it the more accurate way requires a ton of thought and effort, so I think he's just doing it this way so it's easier for him and he can churn out more Servants faster. I agree with Petrikow though on one point. You should try to limit yourself to one or two Servants per post. Three of them bunched up like that looks unsightly and can be a little overwhelming. It also makes replying to your profiles individually much harder.
Maybe certain servants from F/A, but it actually mostly reminds me of F/E. So many skills go unexplained, or are never properly elaborated on in that game. Noble Phantasms have no ranks, type, range or anything and it it was not for the gameplay, you would have almost no idea what they did.
Last edited by Petrikow; May 20th, 2012 at 09:43 PM.
At least put more space between each profile, it's hard to tell where one ends and another begins at a glance.
It was also kind of a selfish complaint, as putting in more than one Servant per post makes it more annoying for me when it comes to indexing them. HEHE
Oh, I did another Finn to a RP session. But I ended dropping the giant stuff because of claims of it being just another legend tossed into the celtic warrior Fionn one, how Gil was supposed to be some kind of giant too but in Nasuverse he isn't and how "old man and not fair haired anymore" Finn looks in Fate/Zero.
Maybe someday I will end posting him here too.
Last edited by yokushi; May 20th, 2012 at 10:30 PM.
Just like the other one when I posted this: this thread needs more lolis.
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TIANSHAN TONGLAO (天山童姥) – The Child Grandma of the Heavenly Mountain
Servant: Assassin
Gender: Female
Height: 140 cm
Weight: 39 kg
Three sizes: 67/51/76
Alignment: Lawful Evil
Appearance: An adorable face that conceals unforeseen wickedness—Tianshan Tonglao is truly a beautiful child. Her grayish hair is ornately arranged into two large buns on the sides plus two locks like horsetails that cascade down the sides of her face, held together with charming red beads and copper chains. Her brimming blue eyes promise mischief to no end. Curiously enough, both her eyes and her lips are enhanced with make-up, even if she obviously does not carry such equipment with herself. Decades of high-level training have given her infantile body a certain shapeliness that, while subtle, cannot possibly be be denied. While she normally favored elegant robes suitable of a cultural and military leader, for this Heaven’s Feel ritual she wears simpler clothes, skimming sleeves and long dresses for optimal mobility.
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Strength C+ (Starting E/Maximum A+)
Endurance A+ (Starting E/Maximum A++)
Agility A (Starting E/Maximum A++)
Magic D
Luck E
Noble Phantasm B
Class Skills:
* Presence Concealment: The capacity to hide one's presence as a Servant.
(lost) – Tianshan Tonglao’s awesome skills at non-detection are based on different principles.
Personal Skills:
* Chinese Martial Arts: A Chinese rationality. A value that measures one's mastery of the martial arts that made becoming one with the universe as its objective. Its difficulty to learn is of the highest level and, unlike other Skills, it is at A Rank that one is at a level where he is said to have finally "learned it".
A++ (Starting C/Maximum A+++) – Even if she stands among the greatest martial artists ever depicted in Wuxia fiction, she still cannot be said to have reached the godly realm of absolute mastery. Regardless, all the martial arts she was known to have learned in life have become available to her:
- Mount Heaven Swordplay (天山劍法) (Tiān-shān-jiàn-fǎ)
- Divine Light of Mount Heaven (天山神芒) (Tiān-shān-shén-máng)
- Six Suns Palm of Mount Heaven (天山六陽掌) (Tiān-shān-liù-yáng-zǎng)
- Plum-twisting Hand of Mount Heaven (天山折梅手) (Tiān-shān-zhé-méi-shŏu)
- Divine Art of Northern Darkness (北冥神功) (Běi-míng-shén-gōng)
- Life and Death Talisman (生死符) (Shēng-sĭ-fú)
* Eye of the Mind (True): Heightened insight that was refined through experience.
C+ (Starting E/Maximum A+): Capable of calm analysis of the opponent’s ability even while in the midst of battle and deduce an appropriate course of action after considering all possibilities. Increases chances of finding openings for surprise attacks with increased damage.* Projectile (Darts/Qi): The expertise for throwing projectile weapons; in this case, darts or qi pulses.
C (Starting D/Maximum B+): Impact damage is minimal, but precision is truly great. Tianshan Tonglao is adept at ranged attacks with both Tiān-shān-liù-yáng-zǎng and Shēng-sĭ-fú.* Vitrification: A serene state of mind. A mental protection that nullifies mental interference.
C- (Starting D/Maximum A+) – By suppressing her combat spirit, Tianshan Tonglao can conceal her presence and hide herself. This is not invisibility Magecraft—or even Magecraft at all—, and it does not allow her to hide in plain sight. Furthermore, she is rather susceptible to psychological attacks that could rile up her emotions and destroy her concealment.
Noble Phantasm:
Ba Huang Liu He Wei Wo Dun Zhuang Gong – In All Eight Directions and Six Distances I Reign Supreme
Type: Anti-Unit
Rank: B
Range: --
Maximum number of targets: 1 person
The pinnacle of Taoist internal power arts which only Tianshan Tonglao mastered in its entirety. It cannot be called a proper Noble Phantasm; it is martial arts mystery that borders on immortality without being Magecraft. It was known as the source of Tianshan Tonglao’s frightening power and agelessness, but its weakness was the obstacle that eventually led to her death.
When summoned, Tianshan Tonglao has the skills and physical qualities she had at the age of six, when she started studying Ba Huan Liu He Wei Wo Dun Zhuang Gong. Basically, upon summoning, Tianshan Tonglao is powerless. She has tremendous knowledge and qi, but she would not have a chance against the weakest Servant.
For every day she is allowed to mediate and retrain herself for at least eight hours, she gains the physical prowess and martial skill of an additional year of her life. Her parameter values and skill ranks increase gradually, achieving their maximum—the peak of Tianshan Tonglao’s supernatural prowess—after 90 days. Therefore, as a Servant, Tiangshan Tonglao should be summoned as early as possible.
During her retraining, Tianshan Tonglao cannot be disrupted by any demanding physical or mental activity other than her training. The training can be done anywhere and at anytime, as long as she is not disturbed for the daily quota of eight hours, which can be only interrupted for brief periods as long as nothing demanding is performed. Furthermore, should her intake of prana via the connection to her Master be interrupted for whatever reason, the retraining procedure is also immediately concluded. The retraining cannot be resumed once it is concluded, even if the total of ninety days was not reached due to whatever disruption. In that case, Tianshan Tonglao’s parameters and skill ranks would be frozen at the level they reached at the point of interruption. As a side effect, Tianshan Tonglao cannot gain any bonus to her Strength, Endurance and Agility parameters from her Master at the moment of summoning.
In the parameters and skills section above both Tianshan Tonglao’s starting values and maximum achievable values are displayed, as well as the maximum stats she achieved during the Fifth Holy War.
Background:
The Child-Old Woman of Mount Heaven. A legendary female warrior of Jin Yong’s wuxia universe; one of the three great masters of the Carefree Sect. Renowned and feared for her insane amounts of internal energy and her permanent youth, she is a perfect martial artist in her internal power and her unhesitant aggressiveness. She is the kind of superb martial artist that is said to have always defeated her enemies with a single strike. A ruthless, conniving and often cruel mistress capable of anything to accomplish her objectives; with her wicked ways she ruled as a tyrant over the congregation of martial artists at Lingjiu Palace in Mount Heaven. An old woman with the appearance of a child; she is also a woman who carries a lot of bitterness in her heart which never experienced true love.
Her talent became noticeable since an early age, when she correctly interpreted the instructions of Ba Huang Liu He Wei Wo Dun Zu Gong and began developing the style at the age of six. Her growing prowess in this most arcane of styles granted her immense power and skill, plus gigantic reserves of internal energy. However, the style carried a weakness: every thirty years, all her powers regressed to their original state, rendering her basically powerless. Furthermore, her appearance also regressed to that of a six-year-old. To recover her powers, she had to meditate in peace for a number of days equal to the number of years she has known the style. The first time she went into this deep meditation she was disrupted by Li Qiushui, her rival for the affections of her junior, Wuyazi. While she was able to regain her powers afterwards, her physical appearance would remain as that of a child’s until her death. Upon learning that she could not become normal again, Wuyazi rejected her affections and left with his junior, Li Qiushui. Tianshan Tonglao would curse Li Qiushui’s name, and from that point onwards their meetings would always devolve into deadly fights that never reached a conclusion.
At the age of 96, when her powers regressed for the third time, Tianshan Tonglao was ambushed and struck down by her rival, but she managed to escape thanks to the efforts of Xu Zhu, Wuyazi’s successor. While the child mistress of Mount Heaven tried to fake her death, Li Qiushui knew better and did not cease her pursuit. Tianshan Tonglao managed to remain hidden until she had one day of meditation left. However, that single day of difference—equivalent to a year of martial prowess—meant that hers and Li Qiushui’s powers were equal, and the result of their fight was mutual destruction. In her final moments, she got a hold of Wuyazi’s treasure: a drawing from by the man himself in which he depicted the woman he truly loved.
Tianshan Tonglao died laughing, relieved by the realization that Wuyazi had never chosen Li Qiushui over her, and that he had never loved her hated nemesis. But that laughter also carried her regret, for she had always hated herself and that body of hers that never aged. She had lived cursing her immense power that denied her the happiness of an adult woman, and now she regretted all that pointless hatred.
The face on the drawing…was the face of Li Qiushui’s eleven-year-old sister.
Last edited by Daneel Rush; May 20th, 2012 at 10:35 PM.
Very nice, Daneel. ^^
F/GO SUPPORT
Gone back and edited my old profiles. Think I'll stick to females for now, everyone seemed to have a more positive reaction to them.
Just two more (Sita as Archer coming up soon), know Lilith's been done before but anyway:
Lilith ~ Maid of Desolation
Class: Saber.
Gender: Female.
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral.
Stats
Strength: A.
Endurance: C.
Agility: C.
Magic: B.
Luck: D.
Class Skills
Magic Resistance: A.
As a primordial human, demon queen, angel of prostitution, etc etc, it's to be expected that only the most arcane of verses could ever touch her.
Riding: E ~ A.
Seems to fluctuate depending on the age of the mount/vehicle. The older and more spiritual it is, the more effortlessly she is able to handle them, but appers quickly stumped by any modern vehicle. This is likely due to her extreme distaste for the modern technological world.
Personal Skills
Average One: A.
Associated with all five elements. She is represented by the flaming sword and manifests as Fire, she's been classified as a Wind Spirit, she was born from the Earth, is rejuvenated by the Water of enchanted wells and bears ties with Heaven and Hell (this ability grants her Protection From Wind and Prana Burst (Flames) by association).
Divinity: E-.
A mark of her rejection of God and subsequent association with demons.
Lunar Lantern: A.
The capacity for the Servant to be affected by the phase of the moon. Lilith's power is said to increase with the waning moon.
Rebellious Destiny: EX.
If God's presence cannot command her, what surely can?
Noble Phantasms
Revolving Sword Algol, Key to the Gates of Eden
Rank: High.
Type: Anti-Personnel (by design), Anti-Battalion (through potential).
A flame-wreathed sword Lilith stole from the Gatekeeping Angels upon her flight from Eden. From its original use as the Key of Eden and infused with Lilith's hatred of anything that could bind her, this sword possesses the power to shatter any lock, chain or gateway, meaning nothing may contain or be closed to Lilith. The flaming sword has long been an emblem linked to Lilith.
(The whole flaming sword thing comes to my knowledge from Illes' Encyclopedia of Spirits again. 'Least it's a step up from Wikipedia)
Last edited by NailsInYourFeet; May 20th, 2012 at 11:16 PM.
Dose broken stats on dat chinese martial arts servant
Class: Archer.
True Name: Sita, Daughter of the Earth (Casual clothing, hair looks to be longer in Spirit form).
Gender: Female.
Alignment: Lawful Good (at least in the legend).
Stats
Strength: C.
Endurance: D+
Agility: D.
Magic: B.
Luck: E.
Class Skills
Independent Action: B.
Used to being separated and on her own anyway.
Magic Resistance: B.
Not only the compressed form of a Goddess, but also able to resist the affections of Ravana for years on end.
Personal Abilities
Charisma: A+.
At this point, it becomes more like a curse than anything.
Divinity: A+.
Both a daughter of Bhumidevi and incarnation of Lakshmi to boot.
Soul of a Martyr: B+.
More a love martyr than and a faith martyr, but still counts. Managed to resist the charms of Ravana over years.
Noble Phantasms
Catakantaravanan ~ Unblemished Bow of Demons' Bane
Rank: High.
Type: Anti-Personnel.
Effect: A bow that, while ordinarily unremarkable, increases in power the more demonic blood its target possesses, being a one-hit kill against any full demon. As Servants must have originally been at least part human, it's unlikely it'll ever be seen this powerful.
Basis: One tale says that Rama's kingdom (forget the exact name, something along the lines of Ayodha) came under attack by a ten-headed rakshasa who could only be slain by a purely chaste woman. Sita, then still under suspicious after her rescue from Ravana, took up a bow and was able to instantly kill the demon. 'Catakantaravanan' is from what I've read a version of the Ramayana where Sita is said to be the one who slays Ravana.
Agni-Parishka ~ Fidelity by Fire
Rank: Low.
Type: Support.
Effect: A divine protection upon Sita, making her completely immune to any fire-based spell or attack.
Basis: The trail by fire Sita undertook to prove her chastity after being rescued from Ravana.
Bhumidevi ~ Throne of Mother Earth
Rank: Medium.
Type: Up to Anti-Battalion.
Effect: Ability to command the very Earth around her in times of desperation, shielding her from attack or rising up against enemies. This power is linked to a radiant throne she sits on when using this NP.
Sita comes off as a very downcast Servant, her bleak and distraught life has made her seemingly obsessed with despair and unable to see the world in any other light. She harbours an incredibly bleak wish for the Grail, desiring to free not only herself but all humanity from this cycle of inevitable despair.
In modern times it looks like she's developed a fondness for the musical genre Grunge. At first intrigued by Nirvana simply because of their Indian-sounding name, she can often be found in her given room sitting motionlessly with her headphones on listening to it. She seems to particularly resonate with the following line in Heart-Shaped Box: "Throw down your umbilical noose so I can climb right back", likely because of the way she exited the world.
I kind of figured that too, but was too polite to type it out...
While she's not an actual legend, she is so damn awesome I can't bring myself to care (and you're right about this thread needing more lolis)!
My only lament is that she is so damn hard to implement as a Servant. To have to wait 90 days to get those kinds of stats, and for her to be completely vulnerable within the first few days, you'd probably have to summon her months before the War even officially starts (much like the Einzberns did with Heracles), which means the Master has to initially support her entirely on his/her own. It's just not worth it for an Assassin Class Servant, even if she is potentially the most powerful Assassin ever; you'd be better off trying to get a Saber or even a Berserker if you can hande the pain.
That said, is the pic of an actual character from some anime/manga or is it an original character created by the artist?
Much like Kiyohime, she just doesn't do it for me. Maybe if her backstory and personality had been fleshed out, but all I can get from this snippet is that it frankly isn't worth the risks of summoning her given her hatred of humans.
You made Sita a goth/emo... Somehow it works! And I find it funny that you used a pic of someone named Lilith for Sita...
^Lilith actually doesn't hate humanity itself, it's more civillisation and technology she's against.
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