Hercules nothing, the reason is pretty much just sword = big.
Hercules nothing, the reason is pretty much just sword = big.
Offset 'MAGIC' weapons with sheer 'MASS' if I recall correctly.Originally Posted by Mcjon01
Even his club is manly, kek.
NASUVERSE STAMPEDE!!!
I guess that was a food explanation again. Which makes sense still because the lamppost was big too but Lancelot still needed to make it a Noble Phantasm for it to be suitable. Admit it. You know deep down the explanation is really because Heracles said so and Gaia had to make it so.
Araya, what do you seek?
「アラヤ、何を求める」
------True wisdom.「――――真の叡智を」
Araya, where do you seek it?「アラヤ、何処に求める」
Only within myself.「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
Araya, what is your favorite color?「アラヤ、好きな色は？」
Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!「青、いや、オレンジイイイイイアアアっ！」
^THIS
Let's not forget Shirou cut Gil's arm off in UBW, He was no servant at the time and the sword he used to cut him altough created by magecraft was still real.Also Archer threatened Saber with using Excalibur in UBW, to let him kill Shirou without her interfering,(he was clearly bluffing,ofc) if it did count as magic she could simply stay in front of Shirou and void all the swords/sword blasts due to her hax level magic resistance.
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I am the seat of my chair
Wood is my body and foam rubber is my blood
I have built over one thousand chairs
Unknown to sofas
Nor known to beds
have withstood pain to build many chairs
and yet those chairs will never be liked by Shiki Tohno
So as i pray:
"UNLIMITED CHAIR WORKS!"
What are you even trying to argue?
Ragnarok, come day of wrath
That fallen souls might bear our plea.
To hasten the Divine's return.
O piteous Wanderer.
That Shirou was able to harm a Servant altough he clarly was not one and that it is not due to low magic resistance on the opponent's part.
I am the seat of my chair
Wood is my body and foam rubber is my blood
I have built over one thousand chairs
Unknown to sofas
Nor known to beds
have withstood pain to build many chairs
and yet those chairs will never be liked by Shiki Tohno
So as i pray:
"UNLIMITED CHAIR WORKS!"
Well, black keys don't work so good. He could pin True Assassin, but not actually hurt him.
Ragnarok, come day of wrath
That fallen souls might bear our plea.
To hasten the Divine's return.
O piteous Wanderer.
Kuzuki's punch made Archer's head move from the impact too.
Ragnarok, come day of wrath
That fallen souls might bear our plea.
To hasten the Divine's return.
O piteous Wanderer.
Kuzuki's punches could count as magecraft though, because of Medea's reinforcement. And considering the scale, it's NP > Conceptual Weapon specifically created to hurt spiritual beings (Black Key) > Reinforced punch.
Medea was busy being dead and her reinforcement gone. Otherwise Archer wouldn't have a head left, much like Rider.
Ragnarok, come day of wrath
That fallen souls might bear our plea.
To hasten the Divine's return.
O piteous Wanderer.
I don't remember the scene. Could you point me to it or quote it? Does Archer really suffer damage or is he just pushed back?
My point was "The keys don't work so well at actually hurting Servants.". It's specified that they can't kill Assassin no matter what.
Basically, they can affect his body, but they can't actually deal real damage.
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Pushed back, which is what I said.
Scene is Ideal / Reality Marble.
Ragnarok, come day of wrath
That fallen souls might bear our plea.
To hasten the Divine's return.
O piteous Wanderer.
Siriel!
I was going to respond to that last night, but now it's gone. I don't see what difference having A rank strength could possibly make. Kotomine's strength was enough to go all the way through him and pin him to a tree. What more do you want? Apparently that did nothing but immobilize him until Zouken was baptized into dust, at which point he was weak enough to actually be in danger. I suppose the spiritual strength of the key was enough to at least penetrate his skin, but somehow didn't actually do any notable damage to the organs it must have pierced. Why? Because magic, that's why.
I think that's just because the Black Key's deal so little damage that it's like taking a drop out of the bucket of mana the Servant has at their disposal to heal themselves.
It would take Kotomine stabbing True Assassin with Black Keys thousands of times while TA just stands there and takes it for him to kill TA probably. But in principle I don't see why they can't kill TA.
He never sleeps. He never dies.
Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.
Decided to take a break from studying for my Psych final, so I wrote up a Servant idea I had been thinking about.
I realize he is a rather mediocre Servant and in most cases shouldn't even be considered a candidate. But when learning about him the first thought that popped into my head was "this guy was totally a Magus.", so most of the motivation was just to create a backstory for him in the Nasuverse.
Class: Caster
True Name: Walter Jackson Freeman II
Sex: Male
Alignment: Chaotic Good
Strength: E
Endurance: E
Agility: D
Prana: C
Luck: B
Noble Phantasm: C
Class Skills:
Territory Creation: B
The skill to build a special terrain that is advantageous to oneself as a magus. Creation of a “Workshop” is possible.
Item Construction: D
The skill to manufacture magical items. Capable of low ranking charms of weapons.
Personal Skills:
Mental Pollution: C
Makes it highly possible to shut out any mental interference Thaumaturgy, due possessing a distorted mentality. However, at the same time it becomes impossible to come to an understanding with individuals that do not possess an equivalent rank of mental pollution.
Magecraft: C
Capable of using orthodox Thaumaturgy. Specializes in Thaumaturgy related to the human mind.
Noble Phantasm:
Lobotomy: The Miracle “Cure”
Rank: C
Anti-Unit Noble Phantasm
Given access to the proper surgical tool, Caster is capable of performing an infiltration of the mind. After a successful luck check, his target will become completely bound under his will. This Mental Interference is leagues above regular Mental Interference Thaumaturgy, and is able to be used on both Master and Servant alike.
If the luck check fails, the target will begin to show symptoms of insanity. Their mental state will continue to deteriorate until they become completely insane. Death is also a possibility.
Nasuverse Background:Spoiler:
If you're going to write wanked-out characters of absurd power, don't pull any of the brakes. Go full bore, or go home.
I was going to write a little Nasu history and/or a snippet for him, but I felt like I wasn't getting Gilgamesh right so I set it aside for now. Maybe I'll come back and edit it in later.
ZiusudraThe Immortal Storm Rider
Class: Rider
Alternate Classes: None
Parameters:
Strength: C
Endurance: C
Agility: B
Mana: A
Luck: B
Hell yeah, all the ancient kings looked the same. They were being made with the prototype Einzbern Homunculus KwikKopy Machine, or some shit.
The Story of Ziusudra. Or Atrahasis. Or Utnapishtim. Whatever he's called. Fuck it, just read it.
Class Skills:
Voyager of the Storm (A+): Nobody has as great a rank in this skill as Rider, because nobody has ever had to guide a boat through a storm as bad as the one that created the Ancestral Flood. Grants the equivalent benefits of high level Charisma, Riding and Military Tactics skills to do with naval aspects. As his ability to sail a ship is key to his heroic legend this skill has subsumed Riding as the Class Skill for Rider.
Magic Resistance (B): Cancel spells up to Three-Verse Arias. It is possible to lessen the effects of High Thaumaturgy and Greater Rituals to a degree. This is a level of resistance common for someone who lived for eons in the very depths of the Age of Gods.
Personal Skills:
Culture Hero (A+): Rider saved the entirety of human culture, repopulated the world and brought his children a wealth of knowledge. All human knowledge that was carried on by humanity from the antediluvian era through to the rebirth of humanity came through him and thus he is a culture hero without compare, even if others may be better known in the modern era. Rider is able to grant anyone he favours with a laying of his palm upon the forehead with up to three non-unique knowledge- or -technique-based skills at Rank B, although they cannot be skills which themselves emulate multiple skills.
Librarian of Stored Knowledge (A+): Rider received another name before he was ever called Utnapishtim or Ziusudra, and that was Atrahasis, meaning “Exceedingly Wise”. He has access to vast tomes of knowledge and wisdom within his head. With the most trivial of Luck checks Rider is able to draw upon high-level knowledge of almost any branch of life.
Unified Language (-): Rider speaks the Unified Language fluently, as it was the language of all people before the flood. Due to his exceeding wisdom and respect for all creatures Rider speaks in a tongue slightly twisted from the original language, such that all beings can understand it without necessarily being completely controlled by it. Those who hear him speak will still feel strong compulsions to obey his words or agree with them, but protections against mental interference or Rank B or higher Magic Resistance and similar skills will allow the listener to resist.
ShuruppakPreserver of Life
Type: Anti-Annihilation
Rank: EX
Description: The reason for Ziusudra’s designation as Rider, this Phantasm allows him to manifest the great ark that he built to survive the flood that wiped the planet clean. It is a hardy boat, stocked full of treasures and touched by Utu, the sun god, granting it the ability to draw on the sun itself as a prana source to fuel it. This is good, as the full might of Shuruppak is incredibly prana-intensive, so Ziusudra is unlikely to try to use it at night without a significant prana source.
Shuruppak can be manifested in a less-intensive conceptual form, focusing on the concept of Preservation of Life, forming a protective cube of hazy energy that can resist even the greatest of attacks, as it was able to survive the wrath of an angry god which wiped out all other life on Earth. This is not “removal to a safe realm” or any similar concept, but simply “the endurance of life in even trace amounts”. The result is that although it can protect those within the cube from any attack, it cannot guarantee that they will be completely unharmed or that they will not lose anything beyond their lives. Exceptionally strong attacks may still destroy armour, weapons, defenses and the environment around those shielded by Shuppurak for this reason.
When fully manifested, Shuruppak’s greatest treasure becomes obvious. Stored within the ark are two of each and every animal species Rider was able to collect, and he can unleash them at his will from the ark. These animals are the ancestral beings to almost every animal on Earth in the present time, and they are all at the level of Phantasmal Beasts, even the simplest and most mundane of creatures having a Monstrous Beast classification thanks to vast accumulation of age and mystery.
EnlilDeluge of Annihilation
Type: Anti-Life
Rank: EX
Description: The true power of Rider’s legend, the core element that lays in the lineage of every disaster story, the great world-cleansing flood that was attested in so many myths and so many cultures. It is divine retribution incarnate and is in no way of this world, meaning it is beyond comprehension. Once invoked, Deluge of Annihilation is impossible to stop as even if Rider were to be killed the full activation of this Noble Phantasm would still occur.
When activated an immense glowing golden Bounded Field will immediately appear, centred upon Rider, stretching an enormous fifty kilometres in diameter. Outside the domain of the Earth, in the orbiting heavens, a great cloudy squall forms, with six bolts of lightning circling around it constantly. When unleashed, the lightning bolts streak down to Earth, converging together to form a single great bolt of lightning that strikes the designated target with great force, already a Rank A+ attack in terms of strength.
However, this is only the beginning, as the lightning is immediately trailed by the tempestuous squall filling the entirety of the Bounded Field, tumbling down to Earth with all the ferocity of every legendary storm imaginable. The winds howl, the rain slices at the skin and the land immediately begins to flood as inverted geysers of water shoot down from the sky, washing away anything they strike with the immense force of giants.
If left unchecked by Rider the Bounded Field can latch onto all of the leylines held within it and continue to expand, feeding to envelop the entire world as long as nothing interferes with it. The rushing waters can rise greatly, drowning out all life within the field except those who can counter it in some fashion, and the spiritual nature of the waters means that even Servants who retreat to their intangible spiritual form cannot avoid this attack. Truly, Enlil is the great disaster that can wipe away all traces of life to begin the world anew.
Last edited by Vagrant; April 14th, 2014 at 10:38 AM.
Mh, not bad after all. However:
I have to turn up my nose for the faceclaim... at least don't pick one from Nasuverse, but this is a digression.
I'd say the LCK stat could even be higher. He did survive The Deluge (although sponsired by gods) after all. Same goes for MR, even a C (or even B) rank would have been accepted (at least by me).
Yup, he's the original, greatest culture hero.
Wisdom is essentially Librarian of Stored Knowledge (or Expert of Many Specializations, but in this case I prefer the first). Or, as an alternative, at least use soemthing more original than just "wisdom" as a name for the PS.
Personally I'd remove the scond NP, for various reasons. Regarding Shuruppak, I'd make it so that he summons ethereal parts of the ark instead of a cube shaped force field.
He was pretty clearly inspired by Protogil, so I decided to make a joke of it. Ancient Babylonian kings were all glorious golden beings with vibrant red eyes and perfect pectoral muscles in my perfect Nasuverse.
Maybe he could, yeah. I guess I'm just used to Riders having relatively poor stats, but he is ancient as hell. MR at the very least could have been higher I suppose.I'd say the LCK stat could even be higher. He did survive The Deluge (although sponsired by gods) after all. Same goes for MR, even a C (or even B) rank would have been accepted (at least by me).
Culture Hero is a skill likely to work its way into a few of my heroes, I've decided I really like it as a generic but flavourful and useful skill. I've already gone back and added it to Tatkanna, it works so well for some Servants.Yup, he's the original, greatest culture hero.
Huh. I could have sworn that Wisdom was an existing skill doing basically what I said there, fetching information based on a Luck check. Guess it was from something else then. In that case I think I will change it to one of those other ones. Librarian of Stored Knowledge is more what I'm aiming for I think.Wisdom is essentially Librarian of Stored Knowledge (or Expert of Many Specializations, but in this case I prefer the first). Or, as an alternative, at least use soemthing more original than just "wisdom" as a name for the PS.
Rider can't ride his ark if there's no water, nor can he be a clear emulation of Proto!Gil with ridiculously overblown powers D:Personally I'd remove the scond NP, for various reasons. Regarding Shuruppak, I'd make it so that he summons ethereal parts of the ark instead of a cube shaped force field.
The ark forms as a cube because that was how the Preserver of Life was described in the Sumerian/Babylonian myths. A wooden block equal on all sides, sealed completely and divided into nine smaller blocks. In that respect actually, the Noah movie was actually fairly spot on. It was less a boat and more a containment cell.
Which makes giving him Voyager of the Storm all the more amusing.
To be honest, I could probably relatively easily alter his flood Phantasm so it wasn't quite so absurd if I wanted to make him a little more fitting, but it was a life-ending flood that would have killed literally everything if it weren't for that ark.And the fishes I guess, but fuck the fishes.
I think I will make some of the changes you mentioned, thanks!
Not that I remember in nasuverse.
Ah, I see. That makes sense.The ark forms as a cube because that was how the Preserver of Life was described in the Sumerian/Babylonian myths. A wooden block equal on all sides, sealed completely and divided into nine smaller blocks. In that respect actually, the Noah movie was actually fairly spot on. It was less a boat and more a containment cell.
You're welcome! It's always a pleasure to nitpick other people's efforts (but that's why this thread exists, right?).I think I will make some of the changes you mentioned, thanks!
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