Create-a-Servant

[Five_X]

Her "main NP" is actually Alea Iacta Est, but whatevs. Plus, her strength is already A rank. Your argument is invalid.

[I3uster]

Her having A+ strength makes the whole thing even more ridiculous then, lol. It means she has Herc-level strength with that thing on, and Kojiro-level agility.
And dread visage. And fire.

If I were her Master I wouldn't even bother with the other NPs, she can win a Grail war just with this one, lol.

[MssrNeko]

So if I were to repost the Servant I created a while back would you guys mind judging it for me?

I wouldn't mind. Go for it.

[Five_X]

Not... really? It drains her to the point where she's got a good chance of dying from prana expenditure, something that's supposed to be technically impossible except in the case of a shitty Master or Berserker, or more usually both.

I've put her up against canon Servants, and while she certainly does well, you have to take into account the fact that stats don't rule over everything.

[I3uster]

Doesn't matter, activate it burst-wise. With stats like this, her being sane and Battle Continuation she should roflstomp pretty hard.
Also the drain can't be that bad if she has to shoot Crocea Mors with it on to get it on Anti-Fortress level.

[Five_X]

What? You can't activate it burst-wise. She can dull the prana flow at first, but once she goes full monty, there's no going back until the fight is over.

Also, shooting Crocea Mors with it on very nearly kills her.

[Milbunk]

True Name: King Aeëtes
Class: Caster
Alignment: Lawful Good


Strength: D
Endurance: E
Agility: E
Prana: A++
Luck: B
Noble Phantasm: Ex


Class Skills:


Territory Creation (A): Creates an area that is advantageous to oneself as a magus. Enables the creation of a "Temple", superior to a "Workshop". For the King, his temple is a replica of the Greek City State he once ruled over.


Tool Creation (A): Allows creation of tools that carry magical energy. It even allows for the creation of an immortality serum, but the result is only an imitation.


Personal Skills:


High Speed Divine Words (A++): Allows the activation of magic without connecting the Magic Circuit or incanting the spells. Even great magic can be activated with just a single action. It is a language from the age of gods so modern humans cannot pronounce it. Since Aeëtes is the teacher of Medea he is a little more skilled with it and can use it with a little more power. Due to his relation to the sun god his magic glows an bright orange instead of purple and his energy glows with the heat of the sun.


Divinity (B): Son of the sun god has given Aeëtes this rank in Divinity.


A few of his spells:


~Aero: A Wind Element attack spell used by Caster, it can grind the flesh of a human being.


~Argos: A protection spell that borrows the concept of the Argos, allows Caster to create a transparent barrier that is as resistant as Berserker’s skin.


~Atlas: One of Caster’s spells that is in par with High-Thaumaturgy, alters the atmospheric pressure a section of space, consequentially freezing all the targets in range and preventing them from moving.


~Rain of Light: A High-Thaumaturgy-level spell used by Caster, a volley of beams of light ranked A in power fired at quick succession.


~Trofa: Spatial Transference. In short, teleportation. A spell of Caster that is close to the level of True Magic.


~Reinforcement: Reinforcement is the most difficult magecraft with the purpose of pushing a basis to the utmost. It is the foundation of all magecraft that enhance the existence of the target by pouring prana, but as no clear expression of how much it can be enhanced is defined, almighty reinforcements are rare. It is the same as adding something to an object that is already complete, in case of failure the target will receive it as a poison. Success requires a good grasp of the inner structure to fill openings with prana. Reinforcing the purpose of existence would be increasing the sharpness of a knife, the nourishment of food, or in the case of a living creature, physical strength and durability. It is impossible to reinforce something vague. As living things will resist invasion of your prana, reinforcing someone else is the hardest.


~Dragon Teeth Familiars: Based upon the warriors summoned through dragon’s teeth to guard the Golden Fleece, Aeetes is able to summon his own skeleton warrior familiars. While competent, they are not very powerful, and even low level mages are capable of handling them without too much trouble.


~Foteinos: A Low-Thaumaturgy spell that allows for a small volley of beams of light ranked D in power fired at quick succession or in singular burst at C rank[. As a concentration of sunlight, these blasts can cause burns to the opponent alongside the physical impact of the attack.


~Pyrsos: A weak spell used simply to create a source of light for the exploration of, or decorative use of, an area.


~Koimoumai: A spell that can be used to place a person into a temporary state of sleep. he is also capable of affecting Servants for a higher cost of prana. Does not affect those that are highly trained in Magecraft or Servants with skills that are anti-magic in nature.


~Ypnosi: A spell that can be used by Caster to directly influence the behavior and actions of persons, in some cases capable of driving them mad. Servants of low magical resistant can be more indirectly influenced in behavior over a longer period of time. Does not affect those that are highly trained in Magecraft or Servants with skills that are anti-magic in nature.


~Medea, Absyrtus, Chalciope: Due to his feelings in life Aeëtes had gained the full power of his own father. By calling the name's of his children Aeëtes can charge up and throw a mini sun with heat that rivals a real one. The charge up time required to activate this ultimate power is at least ten minutes outside of his territory. Inside it would only take a minute. When thrown the small ball of extreme heat moves in a straight pattern and while easy to dodge if it hits could even hurt Servants with high MR such as A rank.


Noble Phantasms:


"Argon Coin" - The Golden Fleece (Ex): The Argon Coin is a very expensive coat of golden fleece from the winged ram Chrysomallos, given to the King by Phrixus as a token of his gratitude. It is capable of summoning the original Colchis dragon that guarded it after it is thrown to the ground. The dragon itself isn't strong enough to make a clear difference against higher level opponents it is able to hold its own against lower level Heroic Sprits.


"The Three Trials of the Argonauts" - Eidyia (A): The three trials that the King forced Jason to go through in order to obtain the Golden Fleece. They take form in the shape of three barriers that surround him and act as an impenetrable force that can only be destroyed in certain ways. The first barrier can only be destroyed if a Servant is willing enough to walk through the intense heat that surrounds him. The second barrier will only be destroyed if every single one of the King's familiars are killed at the same time. The third barrier will only disappear after the dragon is dead. If any other type of attack hits any one of the barriers they will be blocked. In order to break them through sheer force you need something on the level of Excalibur, so A++ up to Ex.

[I3uster]

What? You can't activate it burst-wise. She can dull the prana flow at first, but once she goes full monty, there's no going back until the fight is over.

Also, shooting Crocea Mors with it on very nearly kills her.

Oh shit, yeah right.

Well, I don't see shooting Crocea Mors as necessary with that thing on anyway. It's pretty impressive. You could make the argument that Gae Bolg and God Hand are B, but the only other stat-increasing-with-drawbacks NP we know is rated A++, and for a good reason.
It's really, really strong, man. It starts bordering on Arondight levels.

[Five_X]

Eh, The problem here is this:

Servants, in practice, are not meant to be "game-y." They can be written for function or for fiction, and really the problems start when you start viewing them as being for function when they should be for fiction. Nasu's Servants are all written for fiction, and that's how Servants should be. Creating a Servant should be appropriate for the narrative, not for a "game" style. While Servants do have "game character" elements, they are supposed to be written for flexible fiction, and really when you look at it most of our knowledge of each Servant comes from the narrative, and not what's stated in their game profiles.

In addition, you have to remember that a Noble Phantasm is not "A rank because it is powerful;" it is "powerful because it is A rank." The rank is a measure of the actual, calculable strength of a Noble Phantasm. In this case, the Red Cape is C rank because its calculable effects, the fire and the Dread Visage, would be considered C rank. The other things do not come into account with that because they do not fit into those calculations as they cannot technically be quantified. Arondight, for example, is not A++ rank because of the stat boosts and stuff. It is an A++ Noble Phantasm, as in its direct physical strength, and then it has stat boosts and stuff in addition to that.

Now, perhaps I will post up Napoleon. :P

[MssrNeko]

True Name: King Aeëtes
Class: Caster
Alignment: Lawful Good


Strength: D
Endurance: E
Agility: E
Prana: A++
Luck: B
Noble Phantasm: Ex


Class Skills:


Territory Creation (A): Creates an area that is advantageous to oneself as a magus. Enables the creation of a "Temple", superior to a "Workshop". For the King, his temple is a replica of the Greek City State he once ruled over.


Tool Creation (A): Allows creation of tools that carry magical energy. It even allows for the creation of an immortality serum, but the result is only an imitation.


Personal Skills:


High Speed Divine Words (A++): Allows the activation of magic without connecting the Magic Circuit or incanting the spells. Even great magic can be activated with just a single action. It is a language from the age of gods so modern humans cannot pronounce it. Since Aeëtes is the teacher of Medea he is a little more skilled with it and can use it with a little more power. Due to his relation to the sun god his magic glows an bright orange instead of purple and his energy glows with the heat of the sun.


Divinity (B): Son of the sun god has given Aeëtes this rank in Divinity.


A few of his spells:


~Aero: A Wind Element attack spell used by Caster, it can grind the flesh of a human being.


~Argos: A protection spell that borrows the concept of the Argos, allows Caster to create a transparent barrier that is as resistant as Berserker’s skin.


~Atlas: One of Caster’s spells that is in par with High-Thaumaturgy, alters the atmospheric pressure a section of space, consequentially freezing all the targets in range and preventing them from moving.


~Rain of Light: A High-Thaumaturgy-level spell used by Caster, a volley of beams of light ranked A in power fired at quick succession.


~Trofa: Spatial Transference. In short, teleportation. A spell of Caster that is close to the level of True Magic.


~Reinforcement: Reinforcement is the most difficult magecraft with the purpose of pushing a basis to the utmost. It is the foundation of all magecraft that enhance the existence of the target by pouring prana, but as no clear expression of how much it can be enhanced is defined, almighty reinforcements are rare. It is the same as adding something to an object that is already complete, in case of failure the target will receive it as a poison. Success requires a good grasp of the inner structure to fill openings with prana. Reinforcing the purpose of existence would be increasing the sharpness of a knife, the nourishment of food, or in the case of a living creature, physical strength and durability. It is impossible to reinforce something vague. As living things will resist invasion of your prana, reinforcing someone else is the hardest.


~Dragon Teeth Familiars: Based upon the warriors summoned through dragon’s teeth to guard the Golden Fleece, Aeetes is able to summon his own skeleton warrior familiars. While competent, they are not very powerful, and even low level mages are capable of handling them without too much trouble.


~Foteinos: A Low-Thaumaturgy spell that allows for a small volley of beams of light ranked D in power fired at quick succession or in singular burst at C rank[. As a concentration of sunlight, these blasts can cause burns to the opponent alongside the physical impact of the attack.


~Pyrsos: A weak spell used simply to create a source of light for the exploration of, or decorative use of, an area.


~Koimoumai: A spell that can be used to place a person into a temporary state of sleep. he is also capable of affecting Servants for a higher cost of prana. Does not affect those that are highly trained in Magecraft or Servants with skills that are anti-magic in nature.


~Ypnosi: A spell that can be used by Caster to directly influence the behavior and actions of persons, in some cases capable of driving them mad. Servants of low magical resistant can be more indirectly influenced in behavior over a longer period of time. Does not affect those that are highly trained in Magecraft or Servants with skills that are anti-magic in nature.


~Medea, Absyrtus, Chalciope: Due to his feelings in life Aeëtes had gained the full power of his own father. By calling the name's of his children Aeëtes can charge up and throw a mini sun with heat that rivals a real one. The charge up time required to activate this ultimate power is at least ten minutes outside of his territory. Inside it would only take a minute. When thrown the small ball of extreme heat moves in a straight pattern and while easy to dodge if it hits could even hurt Servants with high MR such as A rank.


Noble Phantasms:


"Argon Coin" - The Golden Fleece (Ex): The Argon Coin is a very expensive coat of golden fleece from the winged ram Chrysomallos, given to the King by Phrixus as a token of his gratitude. It is capable of summoning the original Colchis dragon that guarded it after it is thrown to the ground. The dragon itself isn't strong enough to make a clear difference against higher level opponents it is able to hold its own against lower level Heroic Sprits.


"The Three Trials of the Argonauts" - Eidyia (A): The three trials that the King forced Jason to go through in order to obtain the Golden Fleece. They take form in the shape of three barriers that surround him and act as an impenetrable force that can only be destroyed in certain ways. The first barrier can only be destroyed if a Servant is willing enough to walk through the intense heat that surrounds him. The second barrier will only be destroyed if every single one of the King's familiars are killed at the same time. The third barrier will only disappear after the dragon is dead. If any other type of attack hits any one of the barriers they will be blocked. In order to break them through sheer force you need something on the level of Excalibur, so A++ up to Ex.

Okay, had to research him at first.

Looking at him, he's basically EX-Caster. Fitting considering he's Medea's daddy. His NP's make him feel like a boss-rush, fighting one thing after another to get at the main boss.

[Milbunk]

Ah yeah that's the kind of aim I was going for. I think he can be considered even more powerful since he has knowledge of even more magics then Medea does.

What did you think of his final sun summoning spell?

[I3uster]

While I understand your point on narrative flexibility, it doesn't change the fact that this NP is not only versatile but also offers a, when turned into "numbers", ridiculous advantage. With all the utility and boni it provides it's just not C rank.

[Five_X]

While I understand your point on narrative flexibility, it doesn't change the fact that this NP is not only versatile but also offers a, when turned into "numbers", ridiculous advantage. With all the utility and boni it provides it's just not C rank.

Let's agree to disagree.

And then I'll post up Napoleon and feed on your delicious tears. :P

[MssrNeko]

@Milbunk: A bit overwhelming considering he has a dragon and three proxies shields. But then again, never underestimate a daddy's love for his children.

Can I get some feedback on my Lancer?

[Milbunk]

I can give it a shot, just give me some time to look up who this guy is.

[ScarletWeather]

Is nobody else going to comment that Caesar's Army summon is really, really poorly contrived given it's effectively maintaining the equivalent of multiple E-Rank Servants, their weapons and equipment, their personalities, and doing so without expending any significant degree of prana or losing ranks in anything or doing so in the context of a reality marble? Ionion Hetairoi is an unusual phantasm for a reason. x.o

I'm fine with the army summon for Caesar, it honestly makes more sense than giving Caesar a freakin' Excalibur attack since that's what Caesar was known for, but you can't just summon an army if you're a Servant, you have to summon an aspect of the army or a memory of the army or a world where the army exists, because summoning human spirits like that would be really, really freakin' hard for someone who isn't a magus- particularly a legion's worth of them.

[I3uster]

I just rolled with it because it doesn't seem particularly threatening. They are not HS from what it looks like, so for a Servant they are a minor distraction at best.

[ScarletWeather]

I just rolled with it because it doesn't seem particularly threatening. They are not HS from what it looks like, so for a Servant they are a minor distraction at best.

Mmm, for me it's 'summoning several individual beings' with an A-Rank ability without being a magus. Legions, in fact. Rider mount summon is the closest analogy I can think of, but in those cases it's a single, specific being rather than a whole legion. It also kinda mutes, more importantly, the real impact of things like Ionion Hetairoi if it's just 'I can summon the army because they're my army', with nothing else around. Feels very... ability-snatching?

I mean, what I'd prefer is something like rather than summoning the literal legion, a phantasm representative of that legion or which could be used to emulate the legion. If that makes any sense.

Just seems... far too sketchy to me, particular since it isn't clear whether they're Heroic Spirits or not, and if Alexander's troops are I think there's a strong case that they would be.

[SeiKeo]

The Ionian Guard is like... 10 times larger, at the least?

[I3uster]

And IH consists entirely out of Servants. This is breakfast for them.

Mmm, for me it's 'summoning several individual beings' with an A-Rank ability without being a magus. Legions, in fact. Rider mount summon is the closest analogy I can think of, but in those cases it's a single, specific being rather than a whole legion. It also kinda mutes, more importantly, the real impact of things like Ionion Hetairoi if it's just 'I can summon the army because they're my army', with nothing else around. Feels very... ability-snatching?

I mean, what I'd prefer is something like rather than summoning the literal legion, a phantasm representative of that legion or which could be used to emulate the legion. If that makes any sense.

Just seems... far too sketchy to me, particular since it isn't clear whether they're Heroic Spirits or not, and if Alexander's troops are I think there's a strong case that they would be.

Well, this is MPII aka "Everyone has an army-Grail War". I had to get over that fact too when I started reading it (and didn't get very far).