Yeah, Sherrin does it really well.
Yeah, Sherrin does it really well.
Yes; Napoleon is wanked because he made himself that powerful by saying that he's got that sort of strength to him.
But really, those A++ cannons (there's only one of them, mind you) aren't particularly grand: they themselves have little mystery to them, compared to actual A++ Noble Phantasms. The only reason they have such strength is because Napoleon gives it to them. The costs for using Overture as a whole are much greater than Gate of Babylon, in comparison: GoB has a cost for opening the gate, and not much afterwards. Overture has a cost per cannon recreated, making it less efficient in that manner. If you remember the fight between Napoleon and Gilgamesh, Overture wasn't really matching GoB too well; what Nappy was mostly doing was hiding behind a slab of rock that Gilgamesh couldn't break, and using the cannons he could muster to keep Gil from destroying too much. Overture is a thing suited for masses of projectiles in shorter bursts.
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[11:20:46 AM] GlowStiks: lucina is supes attractive
[12:40] Lace: lucina is amazing
[12:40] Neir: lucina is pretty much flawless
Meh, I'm not contesting the efficiency of the ability itself, but rather the actual firepower it has, which is quite insane, and in my honest opinion, unwarranted. Sorry, Fivers, but I'll never quite buy into it completely. I like the NP itself and how it's used, but I can't see it even being past B rank, let alone even touching A+.
The actual firepower it has is dependent on what's going on. An A++ cannon shot isn't going to stop an Excaliblast, but simply because God Hand works off of ranks rather than technical power.
It's entirely warranted, because Napoleon makes it so with Cult of Personality. You're kind of underestimating the skill, y'know.
...just be glad I didn't make Louis XIV part of MPII. Now he would have the epitome of Cult of Personality. The NPs I thought up for him are... understandable, but as a result of Cult of Personality, very very powerful.
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[11:20:46 AM] GlowStiks: lucina is supes attractive
[12:40] Lace: lucina is amazing
[12:40] Neir: lucina is pretty much flawless
I know that God Hand works off of ranks rather than technical power. That's what rustles my jimmies, I don't think Overture should have enough cannons that rank high enough to kill Herakles multiple times.
Time for me to go again I guess. Here's the main character of the Guilty Gear fighting game series:
Spoiler:
Other than that... right now I am wondering how updating the list I just made will work now that it is in the OP. I'll just go ahead and edit the post I already made a few pages back and see later I guess...
You realize that, in that one scene, there were at least four other people who could've killed Hercules outright? Caesarko could've blasted him to death with Crocea Mors, Sigurd could've beaten him through attrition and eventually getting his stronger abilities, Achilles could've stuck him in his shield for eternity, and Odysseus has unlimited Noble Phantasms, so long as he spends a bit of time making them.
Napoleon's manner of getting rid of Hercules was one of the least efficient, really.
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[11:20:46 AM] GlowStiks: lucina is supes attractive
[12:40] Lace: lucina is amazing
[12:40] Neir: lucina is pretty much flawless
It's pointing out that Nappy's feat wasn't all too impressive. He has maybe four or five cannons total that are A-rank or stronger, all of which have their own legends and history to them which make them strong beyond Napoleon's own additions thanks to CoP, ones like the Tsar Cannon and the Dardanelles gun. Then, he proceeds to summon multiple copies of those, and blasts Hercules all at once.
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[11:20:46 AM] GlowStiks: lucina is supes attractive
[12:40] Lace: lucina is amazing
[12:40] Neir: lucina is pretty much flawless
Are you saying that taking out 10 Herakles lives isn't impressive?
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Name: Enmerkar
Class: Lancer
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Appearance: By his appearance alone, it is obvious that he is a hero and king in truth. Enmerkar towers over all, standing like a giant among the degraded men of today. Golden hair and crimson eyes make even more plain his origins in those earlier, stranger times we call the 'Age of the Gods'. His brow shines with a golden diadem, studded with the jewels of Mesopotamia. At his left side is an axe of a metal now lost to man, gleaming with a strange light and ready to split any material. On his back he bears the staff of Uruk, carrying the truth which is 'End' within it, wrought by divine Enlil from night-black steel.
Parameters:
Strength: A++
Endurance: B
Agility: A
NP: EX
Prana: B+
Luck: EX
Skills:
Magic Resistance (B+): In his lifetime, Enmerkar saw the pinnacle of magic, that earliest time in the Age of the Gods when the Divine Spirits and magi intermingled and gave each other power. Modern magic is utterly without effect on him, and no Command Spell will bind him. Still, he himself made no great study of magic, so it is possible for those who hold some of the ancient power to affect him.
Pioneer of the Stars (EX): One who changed the nature of history and humanity in its entirety, letting speech and thought enter into eternal record, Enmerkar can defy fate to make possible what should not be.
Divinity (A): A brother to the great goddess Inana, and well-loved by her.
Charisma (A): Enmerkar is a king of armies, able to raise hordes whose march swirled dust up to the heavens.
Noble Phantasms:
kušUmmud Za-gin dInana ~ The Lapis-Lazuli Waterskin Of Inana. Sparkling with embedded blue crystals, this container is filled with water from the holy place of Inana. If Enmerkar but sips of the sacred liquid within, the knowledge of his divine sister will fill him. The legend, attributes and Noble Phantasm of any chosen opponent or opponents will become known to him, along with the most favourable way to exploit his enemy's weaknesses based on available resources. A slight prana drain is necessary to unstopper the waterskin, but the effect itself is without cost. (A; Anti-Unit)
Kuš ~ Devastation. The first hero invokes the power of a concept - 'End'. That final truth, the far-future death, is made manifest with a gesture of his royal staff and a word. Within any area Enmerkar chooses, up to the size of the great ancient cities, all shall become dust. In an instant, buildings disintegrate, hills flatten and the rivers run dry as a howling, otherworldly wind screams. The only witnesses are the people, who becomes doves cursed to wheel forever over the site of Kuš's destruction, a stark warning to those who oppose Uruk's king. It is said that this weapon will be present at the world's ending. (EX; Anti-World)
Legend: Enmerkar, the lord and founder of Uruk, mighty in war. He who was sister and lover to the goddess Inana and who subdued the strength of Aratta. Divine Lugalbanda was his heir, and Gilgamesh the king of heroes was the son of that man.
This was the first hero, and the one who created all others after him. Only by his invention of writing was it possible for human memory to cling to the heroic deeds of the past. Still, unlike his grandson, he claimed no dominion over the future, for he knows its end. Gilgamesh for so long saw only the unbridled power of creation, and was given no wisdom.
In his youth he ventured forth from E-ana, where lay the great temple of Inana, to found Uruk, and he held dominion over its twin Kulaba. All the lands rose up against him, but he alone raised up the mighty walls of Uruk which repelled them on Inana's advice. So his land was secure and his power grew.
His strength was greater than all who followed after him among men, and he could shatter mountains, reducing them to dust with a blow or divert the great Mesopotamian rivers with his hands. Such was his power. He rode upon the clouds and soared into heaven and swooped down to Earth. These, and the favour of Inana, were the boasts with which he threatened Ensughirana of Aratta. But that king felt himself safe in the mountain fastnesses and disbelieved the Lord Enmerkar. He was humbled as the armies of Uruk came forth and sieged him, and the hills crumbled about him under the blows of Enmerkar. By the advice of Inana, Enmerkar dried up the springs of Aratta, and forced the city's surrender without its destruction. In this way, Uruk claimed the talented smiths and the precious metals of Aratta for its own, and Inana's temple grew in wealth.
In the siege, a mighty captain, Lugalbanda, had distinguished himself with the magic given to him by the Anzub bird. Wise Enmerkar adopted Lugalbanda, and gave over Uruk to him when he had ruled the city for 420 years. So was the ascendence of Uruk assured, for divine Lugalbanda was a great king, and his son was Gilgamesh who gathered the peoples and treasures of the world under his rule.
Designer's Notes:
1) Say hi to Gilgamesh's grandfather (of a sort), people!
2) Yes, I am taking that as license to make him just as/more OP than our King, but the feats are all more-or-less taken straight from his epics.
3) NP 'titles' are just the translations of the given 'names' this time around.
4) Kuš is there to contrast with EA. If EA was used to create the world and returns the land to the primordial truth, so Kuš will destroy the world and bring the land to the final truth.
5) Gilgamesh is powerful, but relies a lot on his items. Whilst I liked making that little bit of dualism with EA, I (obviously) went a different route for the rest of Enmerkar's power - stats even higher than Gil because he's older and closer to the original man (I always assume a Servant without prana/fame limits for these sheets) and the ability to easily discern and exploit an opponent's weak point. Nasty stuff, but counterable at least. Don't let him drink!
6) Speaking of, yes, I did give him a boosted, near-unlimited, version of Eye of the Mind as an NP for next to no prana cost. Why do you ask?
7) Mind you, he (sort-of) needs it. He has no innate version of EoTM (True or False), no Instinct, no Arms Mastery etc., because he warrants none of them. A Servant with real skill in combat is probably his best counter, especially if they can keep him from the waterskin.
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<NEW FIC!> Revolution #9: Somewhere out there, there's a universe in which your mistakes and failures never happened, and all you wished for is true. How hard would you fight to make that real?
[11:20:46 AM] GlowStiks: lucina is supes attractive
[12:40] Lace: lucina is amazing
[12:40] Neir: lucina is pretty much flawless
A++ Strength, ye gods. Considering that Herakles already razed building using A+ I can only dread for what A++ would entail. B+ Prana and MR, why not A? B+ is a bit ambigiuous as the + entails a temporary boost or something of the sorts. On another note, a pet theory of mine regarding Gilgamesh' stats is that he is bound to the Archer container, which has the shittiest stats out of all the class containers, the fact that he still has such high stats just further proves that the King of Heroes is amazing. I personally only knew about Enmerker from the Sumerian king list so I did not know that he actually had legends woven about him, interesting.
Like I said, he crushes mountains with his fists. To flour, as the source says.
Because he does loads of amazing stuff, but it's mostly centred around getting the gods to do things for him and just being really powerful. He's not a magic-user (insofar as the Sumerians had a distinct concept of 'magic'), and when the enemy start cursing his city's livestock, he has to hire a wise woman to help him out. So I didn't want to make him go the whole way.B+ Prana and MR, why not A?
Yeah. The B+ MR symbolises his age advantage (and the power of the magic he'd seen done) making him more immune to modern magecraft than is normally the case (whilst he keeps a flat B-rank against Age of the Gods magecraft). As to the B+ prana, the + is for when he's powering Kuš, because it seems it ought to require that kind of power. It was ... a personal feeling.B+ is a bit ambigiuous as the + entails a temporary boost or something of the sorts.
Yeah, I can certainly see that.On another note, a pet theory of mine regarding Gilgamesh' stats is that he is bound to the Archer container, which has the shittiest stats out of all the class containers, the fact that he still has such high stats just further proves that the King of Heroes is amazing.
They're somewhat broken up, but still readable with a bit of effort. Not exactly the greatest works of literature, ancient or modern, IMO, but they're at least interesting.I personally only knew about Enmerker from the Sumerian king list so I did not know that he actually had legends woven about him, interesting.
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You know, thinking about it, his power might be so enormous that retaining all the elements you have in your profile might be impossible with the puny Servant containers. Not saying you should change anything, but if King Arthur was nerfed (in comparision to when she was alive) in the Saber container then I can definitely see Enmerker being nerfed as well.
Something I have been musing over since Moczo (I think) posted the Enmebaragesi profile is if it is possible for Heroic Spirits older than Gilgamesh to be inducted into the Throne of Heroes? Gilgamesh is after all the ORIGINAL, so presumebly he is the very first of the Heroic Spirits. The "Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta" is from 2100 BC, while the "Epic of Gilgamesh" is from around 2400 BC, so in some respects he is a "younger" Heroic Spirit, even though he historically predates Gilgamesh. I do not even know where I am going with this, but basically... Gilgamesh is awesome?
Sweet, Enmerkar is awesome. I was tossing up about making him or Papa Gil, but seems to me like you've done him more justice than I could hope to. Impressed that you managed to get such details out of the legends, I tried piecing them together and didn't get too far, myself. The dualism with EA works, but it's that water that would be a killer in any actual story. He'd of course be awesome in an actual war though.
Maybe I'll just make Adapa or Alulim instead, or post my Ziusundra profile. Hrm, I have a few. New idea! Grail War where all 7 servants are SumerMesoBabylonian in origin. Gilly might feel a bit less grand in such a setting perhaps?
Mmm. It's not impossible for Heroic Spirits to be fully realised, even within the limits of a Servant container. Someone with Rin's prana level can do it for Saber, and Shirō can manage it temporarily if he uses a Command Spell. Berserkers are able to improve on their past selves. Still, you're quite probably right that this would be a bit much for a container. If it helps, think of this as an approximation of Enmerkar in life, rather than as a Servant, I suppose. (Or just go with the flow and let me have my excuses for a semi-plausibly stronger-than-Gilgamesh Servant )
It was Daneel Rush. He's the one around here with the best knowledge of Mesopotamia - I think I ought to shoot him a VM about this, actually.Something I have been musing over since Moczo (I think) posted the Enmebaragesi profile is if it is possible for Heroic Spirits older than Gilgamesh to be inducted into the Throne of Heroes? Gilgamesh is after all the ORIGINAL, so presumebly he is the very first of the Heroic Spirits. The "Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta" is from 2100 BC, while the "Epic of Gilgamesh" is from around 2400 BC, so in some respects he is a "younger" Heroic Spirit, even though he historically predates Gilgamesh. I do not even know where I am going with this, but basically... Gilgamesh is awesome?
As to the dating issue:
Originally Posted by WikiHardly that far apart. As to Gilgamesh being the ORIGINAL, let's say that I'm ascribing that to a false boast on his part for the purposes of this profile.Originally Posted by Wiki
It was fun. I enjoy scouring legends to find incidental references that I can blow out of proportion (though the 'reduce cities to dust' bit actually forms a fairly long part of Enmerkar's boasting). Thinking I might just drop his Endurance a rank, though, just to make him a slightly viable contestant in the war as opposed to completely stomping everyone. I might as well note here (because I forgot to add it anywhere in the description) that I don't imagine Enmerkar to be particularly skilled in personal combat, so that's another of his (few) weaknesses. He has the stats to basically get away with it, though.
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On the topic of fanwank, I really should make a Louis XIV profile. He'd be horribly broken, in the amusing kind of ways that I can think of.
<NEW FIC!> Revolution #9: Somewhere out there, there's a universe in which your mistakes and failures never happened, and all you wished for is true. How hard would you fight to make that real?
[11:20:46 AM] GlowStiks: lucina is supes attractive
[12:40] Lace: lucina is amazing
[12:40] Neir: lucina is pretty much flawless
Lies.
All dirty Western mongrel cults pale before the glory of Dear Eternal Leader Kim Il-Sung, who swam to the bottom of the sea and wrestled to death the giant crab that was ravaging the Asian coastline with tsunamis, before swimming back up and defeating the Japanese Navy imperialist scum with his bare fists.
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