Lemon / Fluff Ideas

[Mike1984]

Yeah, I still see it beginning with rape, to be honest....

[Spinach]

I mean, it would obviously have one maybe two failed attempts at courting the heroine, and then Gil would get furious that some lowlife is actually refusing his advances, rape her, and be done with it. I don't really think Rin/Sakura/Saber would break down from some rapage and suddenly be his "queen" willingly.

But don't mind me, I'm just sayin'.

[PhoenixAct]

Actually, I was saying he continues in his attempts at seduction because it hurts his pride too much to admit he failed.

[Mike1984]

I mean, it would obviously have one maybe two failed attempts at courting the heroine, and then Gil would get furious that some lowlife is actually refusing his advances, rape her, and be done with it. I don't really think Rin/Sakura/Saber would break down from some rapage and suddenly be his "queen" willingly.

But don't mind me, I'm just sayin'.

I think he'd rape them, but I don't think he'd just give up there, especially not when the girl in question didn't break utterly as a result (which Sakura most certainly wouldn't, at least). He'd want to either woo them, or break them utterly to "punish" them for defying him.

[eddyak]

I mean, it would obviously have one maybe two failed attempts at courting the heroine, and then Gil would get furious that some lowlife is actually refusing his advances, rape her, and be done with it. I don't really think Rin/Sakura/Saber would break down from some rapage and suddenly be his "queen" willingly.

But don't mind me, I'm just sayin'.

Gil seems more the type to keep them as long as they still resist him. He liked Saber because she refused him, he got bored of her in F/UC when she fell to the AM curse.

[Aiden]

The most beautiful things are those which you cannot possess.

[Comartemis]

Actually, I was saying he continues in his attempts at seduction because it hurts his pride too much to admit he failed.

Yeah, especially with the modified setup that has him doing this because of a bet with Caren. I can see it now:

"Oh? Is the king of heroes such a clumsy lout that he cannot claim a woman's affections willingly?"

Emphasis on the lack of capitalization there, to boot. Bonus in-character points if Gil recalls something Enkidu said regarding the subject and withholds from rape because of that (if you recall his legend, they met while Gil was still claiming the honeymoon nights of every new bride in his kingdom and got in a fight because of it).

[Mike1984]

Gil seems more the type to keep them as long as they still resist him. He liked Saber because she refused him, he got bored of her in F/UC when she fell to the AM curse.

Yeah, that's definitely believable. He'll go all-out to break them and get them to accept him unconditionally, but in the unlikely event that they actually do, he'd bore of them pretty fast....

[Comartemis]

Yeah, that's definitely believable. He'll go all-out to break them and get them to accept him unconditionally, but in the unlikely event that they actually do, he'd bore of them pretty fast....

So the Perfect End for the Rin route would be something like Gil conquering Rin's body but Rin conquering Gil's heart?

That sounded a lot cheesier than I meant it to. I'm thinking of a BDSM doujin that I read once where the girl ends up demanding to be tied up and turned into her boyfriend's sex slave once she's gotten a taste of S&M; not in an NTR or mindbreak way either, she's just really enthusiastic about it. Apply that relationship to Rin and Gil and you have an ending where Rin has Gil completely wrapped around her little finger despite consenting to being his concubine. Everyone wins, but Gil's left feeling like he still lost somehow...

[Aiden]

It's a lose/lose situation for him. He can't get what he wants without no longer wanting it.

Ah, so Comartemis does in fact get the concept of 'topping from the bottom'.

[shiningphoenix]

Reinforcement would not boost dexterity. in fact untill trained it would inflict a penalty for the body going faster than skills

Fine; +3 Dex and upgrade the +2 bonus for being oiled to a +10 bonus from grease.

Magic Items invalid. The king has throughly and enjoyably searced every inch of the target no magic items are left.

It's a slotless item that doesn't need to be held to function.

When the fuck did she get ten ranks in Escape artistry? In valid.

• Because it makes a more interesting story
• Because INT is tied to both spellcasting and skills, so of course there are skill points to spare

Use rope Skill when and where.

How else is she supposed to tie other people up? It only needs 5 ranks for synergy anyway.

Freedom of Movement she does not have it captain. She had to be rescued.

Sometimes you don't prepare the right spells. Sometimes you do.

You forgot to factor in Gills skill ranks in Bondage which are legendary Seeing as one of his Primary Np is defined by it.

So, he has 23 ranks, and a magic item of +30, and 35 Dex (C rank) = +12, +4 Greater Heroism, +1 luckstone for a total of +70 before penalties.

Gil's pride adds a bonus in this situation instead of a penalty this is a work of art and love so he is all the more focus.

Gill Also has through the roof perception score and is used to high level combat hundred of time in excess of Rin Best.

So, he might notice the escape.

Redoing the math:
{1d20 = 5} + {+3 (Dexterity) + 2 (circumstance bonus for not wearing clothing) + 10 (circumstance bonus for being lubricated with some combination of oil, sweat, and sexual fluids a Grease spell) + 14 (magic item bonus) + 10 (skill ranks) + 2 (morale bonus from heroism) + 2 (synergy bonus from use rope skill) + 4 (bonus from secret Tohsaka martial arts) +1 (circumstance bonus for having small breasts) -8 (for being turned on by it; symmetrical to Gil's -8 penalty listed later)} = 41, disregarding the fact that Freedom of Movement grants automatic success on all escape artist checks; Gilgamesh also suffers a -8 distraction penalty because of the sexiness and a -8 circumstance penalty because of his supreme arrogance. Which is still 13 points away from success. Even with all of this, if Gil rolled a 3 or higher, Freedom of Movement is the only thing that's going to work. Fortunately, this isn't an actual game, and porn logic says that if it would arouse more prurient interest to do so, Gil will roll a 1 or a 2.

[Mike1984]

So the Perfect End for the Rin route would be something like Gil conquering Rin's body but Rin conquering Gil's heart?

That sounded a lot cheesier than I meant it to. I'm thinking of a BDSM doujin that I read once where the girl ends up demanding to be tied up and turned into her boyfriend's sex slave once she's gotten a taste of S&M; not in an NTR or mindbreak way either, she's just really enthusiastic about it. Apply that relationship to Rin and Gil and you have an ending where Rin has Gil completely wrapped around her little finger despite consenting to being his concubine. Everyone wins, but Gil's left feeling like he still lost somehow...

Yeah, that's entirely reasonable. Indeed, in a true BDSM relationship, the sub is the one with the true power. If they don't want something to happen, then they just say "no"....

[Aiden]

Yeah, that's entirely reasonable. Indeed, in a true BDSM relationship, the sub is the one with the true power. If they don't want something to happen, then they just say "no"....

Aye; the option is there.

Of course, Gilgamesh has trouble with 'no', which is the problem here.

[Mike1984]

Well, yes, indeed. Rin would have to be rather more subtle about it than that....

[VelspertheCat]

Fine; +3 Dex and upgrade the +2 bonus for being oiled to a +10 bonus from grease.


It's a slotless item that doesn't need to be held to function.

• Because it makes a more interesting story
• Because INT is tied to both spellcasting and skills, so of course there are skill points to spare

How else is she supposed to tie other people up? It only needs 5 ranks for synergy anyway.

Sometimes you don't prepare the right spells. Sometimes you do.


So, he has 23 ranks, and a magic item of +30, and 35 Dex (C rank) = +12, +4 Greater Heroism, +1 luckstone for a total of +70 before penalties.


So, he might notice the escape.

Redoing the math:
{1d20 = 5} + {+3 (Dexterity) + 2 (circumstance bonus for not wearing clothing) + 10 (circumstance bonus for being lubricated with some combination of oil, sweat, and sexual fluids a Grease spell) + 14 (magic item bonus) + 10 (skill ranks) + 2 (morale bonus from heroism) + 2 (synergy bonus from use rope skill) + 4 (bonus from secret Tohsaka martial arts) +1 (circumstance bonus for having small breasts) -8 (for being turned on by it; symmetrical to Gil's -8 penalty listed later)} = 41, disregarding the fact that Freedom of Movement grants automatic success on all escape artist checks; Gilgamesh also suffers a -8 distraction penalty because of the sexiness and a -8 circumstance penalty because of his supreme arrogance. Which is still 13 points away from success. Even with all of this, if Gil rolled a 3 or higher, Freedom of Movement is the only thing that's going to work. Fortunately, this isn't an actual game, and porn logic says that if it would arouse more prurient interest to do so, Gil will roll a 1 or a 2.

Sounds like you got the makings of a Assisted Consent Rin Quest here.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

But, what about having a family party? You know, where everyone gets together and actually does things, not just cleaning the house...

Well, it depends on how traditional the family is. New Years is when you traditionally clean out the house like Westerners might reference "spring cleaning." You go pray at shrines, you visit parents, grandparents, ancestral homes, the like. You give money to the kids. You send post cards to friends and family you can't see for whatever reason. You might eat stuff you don't normally indulge in, like mochi cakes (oh god yum). But like Christmas in the West, there's stuff on television that only happens once a year that often turn out to be some of the most-watched things for the year, at the shrines there might be family games and whatnot, you might eat a large meal with family, ect. I mean, it really is like reversing the holidays from how they're perceived in America and Europe and whatnot.

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

Bah, long day, so only now posting my thoughts. Focusing on Rin because I like her, apply my musings to anyone else.

Anyways, back when we were suggesting Rin being tied up with Enkidu, or Rin can escape if Gil doesn't want her to. I'm reminded of Gil being perfectly capable of winning every fight in the Grail War...but he never actually tries. I feel something similar would happen here. In the case of Rin, I can easily see Gilgamesh, after the initial capture, not putting terribly too much effort into restraining her beyond keeping her from actually escaping. I think that he might even give them chances to escape, just so he can catch them, drag them back, and crush their hopes just a little more.

I'm imagining a scene where, after capturing Rin, he doesn't even take her gems because he's so confident in his ability to stop Rin. Instead of Rin being immediately deprieved of weaponry, clothes, dignity, et cetera and letting her nurture the belief that she could escape if she just had her gems, let her use the gems, watch them fail, and make Rin lose something she had invested her hopes and dreams into.

That said, I totally would like a Queen Rin who shares the harem with Gilgamesh, so I imagined ways she could get back at him. One is Enkidu. Just look at the size of the links in the chain!



It's almost as wide as Berserker's finger! A fair bit of space between them too. This is a chain meant to restrain the Divine Bull of Heaven! Even if you accept a more reasonable size...



Those are still very large links, and with lots of space in between. Even if the art doesn't seem very consistent on their size.

The girls? Are very, very fragile. Wrap that sucker around them too tight and too quickly and they're going to snap a bone, dislocate a joint, cut off circulation, the possible injuries go on and on. Hercules had the God Hand, but with the contortions this chain is capable of from Berserker, I'll bet that Gilgamesh probably could have ensnared someone like Lancer and snapped his back in half with the chain alone, assuming he caught him. The girls aren't nearly as sturdy.

And that chain can't just be wrapped lightly. Even if the chain is free from physics and can be pulled perfectly taut, that metal is still going to be digging into vulnerable flesh. And I can't imagine the King of Kings being considerate or self aware enough to perfectly utilize Enkidu to restrain a woman without causing significant harm. Never mind that with links so large it's going to be tricky to wrap it in such a way that it remains tight without cutting off blood flow.

Also, it's Enkidu. Is he really going to use the Noble Phantasm named after his bro just to tie up some concubine? We don't even have a guarantee that Enkidu will retain the apparent space warping properties that bound Berserker.

Now maybe Gilgamesh happens to have some silk rope in that treasury of his, and maybe it's enchanted, but if it's not a Noble Phantasm, then it's not indestructible. If it's mundane....well. Escape attempt.

Hell, even if they girls got wrapped in Enkidu, with links that size they could probably manipulate their wrists to shift links and get space. Possibly enough for a surprise attack. Gil would either be amused or angry by defiance, but if they were sufficiently praiseworthy defiance would probably make him enjoy breaking them down more. So he may not do everything he can to render them powerless, not if he wants to have fun that can't be had with a harmless woman. A bit of action could rile the blood for a god hatesex scene or something, if that's to the author's taste. I'd honestly be more interested in constant power plays between Gilgamesh and Rin, and Rin barely getting by with the skin of her teeth while Gilgamesh toys with her.

...Yeah, a little hard to decide who to pull for. Still, Rin may have benefits to Gil as a woman unbroken. Rin is a brilliant mage, and Gil would benefit from having her in his service. Especially if he gets wind of the Kaleidoscope and decides that he wants it. So instead of possibly being forced to marry some Mage's Association family, Rin could serve him. Gil can provide endless money and resources, and she simply has to serve at his leisure.

And as far as deals with the devil go, Rin could do way, way worse than bringing Gilgamesh into her family's ancestry and getting access to his resources.

Hmm...think I've rambled enough for now. Will post more later if something comes to me.

[eddyak]

Good ideas, but I think Enkidu is both overkill, and not something Gil would use outside of combat. There have to have been loads of restrictive legendary items, and, if what Gil said is any indication, he should have NPs that aren't part of any hero's legend, simply because they were lost before they came into the hands of any heroes.

Sort of like how K&B could have been epic monster-slaying swords, but weren't, because nobody but Archer ever used them.

In before noble phantasm vibrators that don't let you remove them before you have an A-ranked orgasm.

[shiningphoenix]

In before noble phantasm vibrators that don't let you remove them before you have an A-ranked orgasm.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Gilgamesh Brand Original Vibrators.

They will ruin you for marriage.