Who would win in a Lostbelt War?

[TresserT]

Topic title. Now that we know everything about all 7 Lostbelts, who would win the hypothetical war that was originally pitched?


The Rules:
-We are assuming that no Crypters have ulterior motives. Kirschtaria is not going to usurp Zeus to turn mankind into gods, Daybit is not going to destroy the Lostbelt to protect the universe, etc. Each Crypter is trying their hardest to win the war.
-Crypters' knowledge of each other is limited to what can be observed and what is communicated during the Crypter meetings. In other words, perfect knowledge of another's Lostbelt is not guaranteed.
-Third parties are not getting involved in this. U-Olga will not appear out of nowhere to turn the tides of battle. This applies to Koyanskaya, Chaldea, the Chaldean, and the Alien God and its Apostles. The only participants are the 7 Crypters and the denizens of their Lostbelts.
-Storm walls gradually expand outward from their focal point. Lostbelts can only interact when their storm walls connect with another's. This means Russia and Scandanavia will begin fighting each other first as they're closest, for example.
-To be considered "alive", a Lostbelt must have its Fantasy Tree (or equivalent) around. This means Vortigern or ORT being released and destroying the planet do not count as a win for those Lostbelts.
-The death of the Crypter or the destruction of the Lostbelt Tree are both considered losses for that team. The death of the Lostbelt King is not considered a loss per se.

[Formless Creature]

-Storm walls gradually expand outward from their focal point. Lostbelts can only interact when their storm walls connect with another's. This means Russia and Scandanavia will begin fighting each other first as they're closest, for example.

Oh, so it's like, a reverse Fortnite. I get it.

[Leftovers]

[Comun]

Is China's tree still hidden without Shi Huang's knowledge?

[Daemon]

Kukulkan summons a friend support Koyanskaya and loops all over them

[OnesFleetingGlory]

Ah, sounds like the premise of a fanfic. Honestly, I don't know about omitting the Alien God and the Apostles since they're the overseers/gamemasters that run the contest. You didn't mention Koyan so I assume she's still around?

Anyway, as stated in the prologue, Kirschtaria has the highest chance of winning, in a fair fight that is. Next is Daybit, Pepe, and Beryl in any order.

I still treat Alien God as a neutral party, so they won't interfere with the Lostbelts until certain Tree fully mature as a vessel. Although admittedly, I can't say the same for the Apostles who're much more autonomous.

[Daemon]

Unironically remove the servants and just let the Crypters duke it out and I would love to see that. Or just 1 servant per crypter for that sweet Master-Servant bonding.

[Noa]

If it's just the Crypters then it'd be Daybit or Kirsch (as long as Kirsch has his AoG mana).

[Petrikow]

Daybit probably can't win. He takes too long to awaken ORT.

[Noa]

Oh just had a thought. Morgan can Rhongo-snipe Lostbelts even when they're far away, as she did to Olympus. Granted she needs something to anchor her target like Beryl did, but that's still a huge advantage to Britain.

[OnesFleetingGlory]

Daybit probably can't win. He takes too long to awaken ORT.

Really? I think Kuku would naturally protect Mictlan. And Tezca and Tenoch are pretty formidable in their own rights. 'Zotz is a bit of wild card, though.

[OnesFleetingGlory]

Oh just had a thought. Morgan can Rhongo-snipe Lostbelts even when they're far away, as she did to Olympus. Granted she needs something to anchor her target like Beryl did, but that's still a huge advantage to Britain.

It is a huge advantage first time around. Once it is used though, the others will be aware of it, so they're now wary of letting Beryl around. At best, it can only be used to remove the biggest contender, and the beacon has to be near the Tree for one fell swoop, otherwise only a portion of the land will be affected, the rest remain intact.

[fumei]

It kinda feels like if you just considered the crypters, then Kirschtaria stomps every one of them because he just sits in his age of gods world and either waits for his lostbelt to expand into theirs (which it does faster, if I recall correctly?) or they come for him directly and he kills them because he's in his age of gods world. But after he kills the other 5, I don't really see how Daybit doesn't just walk up slow and kill him, whether he's in greece or not.

Anyway, when you have to consider the Lostbelt Kings (?) and the Crypter Servants, and also the order in which they fight (Ophelia obviously beats Kadoc easily so he's out immediately but what about everyone else but Kadoc fighting for Russia?) it gets a bit more complicated and so I'll refrain from answering right now.

[TomPen94]

It kinda feels like if you just considered the crypters, then Kirschtaria stomps every one of them because he just sits in his age of gods world and either waits for his lostbelt to expand into theirs (which it does faster, if I recall correctly?)

Bar Ani pulling an Ani, Kirsch stated in LB2 that his Tree's roots had already covered 80% of the Earth's surface, which indicates his speedrun strats were a lot faster than the other Crypters'. Though it's not like anyone cared other than Kadoc, who hadn't yet started, and Ophelia, who was down bad for Kirsch.

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[TomPen94]

Beryl wins by having Morgan snipe Daybit and Kirsch while their entourages are locked in battle.
I hate that so much, but if Beryl plays his cards right, I could totally see it happening. There isn't a Mashu around to distract him either.

If not that, I think Kirsch? If he retains home field advantage I think 5 Machine Gods in AoG could probably take on Tezca and Kuku. The element of chaos here is Camazotz, as well as a personal confrontation between Daybit and Kirsch.

Boring answer but those would be my top 3 picks: 1) Kirsch, 2) Daybit, 3) Beryl

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Well dang, took too long. No auto-merge. Sorry.

[K1rk]

If the Lostbelts are at war then Beryl can’t even gamble on a Rhongo play because without Koyanskaya to give him a ride into Olympus, he just dies the moment he gets anywhere close to the tree. Which means LB6 loses their massive range advantage.

Burning the Fantasy Tree like in canon isn’t an option either because OP conditions require the tree to be dead.

Without the storm walls, LB5 has an overwhelming advantage in the form of mass mind control, an orbital cannon, and immortal servant level foot soldiers. And in the event that the machine gods do die, then it’s game over for everyone because Chaos arrives and then just takes a chunk out of the planet.

[OnesFleetingGlory]

TresserT didn't mention anything about Koyan, so I'm assuming she's still in the play. So Beryl's gambit is still possible.

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Anyway, I got diagrams that line out each Crypter's strength and their Lostbelt locals, more or less in line with their canon situations.

Map

Russia Faction

Scandinavia Faction

China Faction

India Faction

Olympus Faction

Britain Faction

Mesoamerica Faction

The Class symbols indicate ambiguous Servants and alignment, so you can ignore them.

[DrStein]

It kinda comes down to whether or not Daybit, Kuku, and Camazotz can go sicko mode on the Olympus crew hard enough to compensate for having a weaker military and territory.

I'd lean towards Olympus if Kirsch and Zeus are working together fully.

[Mattias]

TresserT didn't mention anything about Koyan, so I'm assuming she's still in the play. So Beryl's gambit is still possible.

-Storm walls gradually expand outward from their focal point. Lostbelts can only interact when their storm walls connect with another's. This means Russia and Scandanavia will begin fighting each other first as they're closest, for example.

I take this to mean no Lostbelt hopping.

[Kamera]

I'm surprised everyone's sleeping on China. They're really the only ones that have explicitly been preparing for war while the others are just dealing with their own internal conflicts.