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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz1337 View Post
    Honestly Tsuki:Re is so much different from original Tsuki that I just consider them two different VNs instead of one being a remake of another.
    I agree with this sentiment. And they made it apparent that they did not abandon the OG setting as shown in MBTL with Miyako of Misaki.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamera View Post
    creatively bankrupt endeavor
    Did you read it? The guy clearly is fulfilling a desire to reimagine the setting from the ground up while giving it the proper production it never had. He's already introduced many new elements with intention to expand the scope of the work.
    How has the gaslighting ended up with Nasu finding Re a passionless chore he didn't want to really take on? he's truly built different to be able to output such a quality work with that mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz1337 View Post
    Wanting to improve the first games you created after gaining experience as writer/game developer is perfectly fine, the Yakuza games did the same for Yakuza 1 and 2 and I'm glad they did, I wouldn't go back to the old games.

    I'm pretty sure your idea of remake is those godawful remakes in which the only thing they do is improve the graphics and maybe music and then force you to buy the game again, aka lazy remakes. Which is not what Tsuki:Re is IMO.
    Don't bring up Yakuza. I still think it is stupid that they turn Haruka into a carbon copy of her mom. Hammers the fact that Kiryu sucks as a parent figure and how history repeats itself

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    Calling Tsukihime Remake a more creative bankrupt activity is a bit much as a defense of a game as inconsistent as FGO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz1337 View Post
    Wanting to improve the first games you created after gaining experience as writer/game developer is perfectly fine, the Yakuza games did the same for Yakuza 1 and 2 and I'm glad they did, I wouldn't go back to the old games.

    I'm pretty sure your idea of remake is those godawful remakes in which the only thing they do is improve the graphics and maybe music and then force you to buy the game again, aka lazy remakes. Which is not what Tsuki:Re is IMO.
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    Let me ask you two things:
    Have you read the original Tsuki?
    Have you read the remake, or are going to read the remake when it officially comes out in english?
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    Did you read it? The guy clearly is fulfilling a desire to reimagine the setting from the ground up while giving it the proper production it never had. He's already introduced many new elements with intention to expand the scope of the work.
    How has the gaslighting ended up with Nasu finding Re a passionless chore he didn't want to really take on? he's truly built different to be able to output such a quality work with that mindset.
    I've read the OG Tsukihime and liked it enough to think that it really doesn't need a remake. Sure, the production value is lower, but does it really matter for a VN? It's already a complete work with more than enough scope and premise to expand on its own. In fact, it is in sore need of expansion and elaboration, with the 27 DAA, Dark Six, etc, being never truly touched on--which is why I much prefer a Sequel than a Remake. The remake is an objectively good thing, it's undeniable, but at the same time, I'm just wondering if it's a Necessary Thing at all; especially because in regards to the crowd that complains about FGO being in the way of more Tsukihime content. For me, Tsukihime Remake isn't "More Tsukihime Content", it's just a completely New Tsukihime build from ground up that will set back actual New Tsukihime Stuff for at least a few more decades.

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    I still don't know if you've read the remake or have any intention of reading it.
    Please let me know.
    And I don't get how your feelings on the necessity of the remake equate to your expert mindreading of Nasu's person.
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    if he wanted to even do a sequel he needed to modify the story to make it more cohesive with future and current content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomPen94 View Post
    I still don't know if you've read the remake or have any intention of reading it.
    Please let me know.
    And I don't get how your feelings on the necessity of the remake equate to your expert mindreading of Nasu's person.
    I've finished Arc's route, and am waiting for the official English release before continuing to Ciel's route. It definitely feels like something that is written with a lot of care and love. As it should be, it had to be good lol--it took decades to be finished after all. Does not excuse decades of development hell, and it does not explain why it got sidelined by Nasu's other projects. I'm just trying to rationalize why it was so low on Nasu's priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoS2 View Post
    if he wanted to even do a sequel he needed to modify the story to make it more cohesive with future and current content.
    Exactly, Tsukihime Remake is evidently somewhat of a reaction to the expansion and success of the Fate series. It does not have to be that way, but Nasu is trying to make the TMverse to be like the MCU, and for that the Multiverse stuff have to be sorted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamera View Post
    I've finished Arc's route, and am waiting for the official English release before continuing to Ciel's route. It definitely feels like something that is written with a lot of care and love. As it should be, it had to be good lol--it took decades to be finished after all. Does not excuse decades of development hell, and it does not explain why it got sidelined by Nasu's other projects. I'm just trying to rationalize why it was so low on Nasu's priority.
    That wasn't so hard was it?

    So, given your glimpse on what it's had to offer, it is your belief that the expansion the remake already brings in does not justify it as a "necessary" entry in the franchise.
    Am I correct in assessing that?
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    The expansion, new lore, characters, etc could and should have been introduced in the sequel, is what I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamera View Post
    I'm just trying to rationalize why it was so low on Nasu's priority.
    What more rationalizing do you need than FGO is a live service game that requires constant attention and is an actual business that needs to be taken care of as opposed to his passion project of rewriting an old VN? It's like the simplest matter possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamera View Post
    The expansion, new lore, characters, etc could and should have been introduced in the sequel, is what I believe.
    Hmm... while there are certainly some elements I can agree with that take on, there are others I think only really work if "they showed up the first time", if that makes sense.
    We still don't have Red Garden for full context, and only Nasu knows what he might be cooking for a follow-up after that.
    At the very least, I believe Nasu felt the introduction of these new elements in the remake was necessary for what he's got in store next, and hopefully we get to see it.
    And I think he was likely pretty excited about those.

    Given your post count I reckon you already know the fan TL of the remake is complete, and you took a conscious decision to wait for the official TL on the Ciel route.
    I hope you have fun reading it when it does come around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fumei View Post
    What more rationalizing do you need than FGO is a live service game that requires constant attention and is an actual business that needs to be taken care of as opposed to his passion project of rewriting an old VN? It's like the simplest matter possible.
    13+ years of development is long enough time that even projects like FGO stops being an excuse.

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    The first 4 years were Mahoyo development.
    FGO was noted for freezing 4 more years, between 2013 and 2017.

    That leaves 5 years unaccounted for, supposedly the "active development" time, which is not much more than the 4 years for Mahoyo.
    I think they modified Kirikiri further for this one too.
    So it kinda does work out.

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    It does make releasing that TM Ace issue with all that Tsukihime stuff in 2015 a very very daft marketing decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz1337 View Post
    Wanting to improve the first games you created after gaining experience as writer/game developer is perfectly fine

    I'm pretty sure your idea of remake is those godawful remakes in which the only thing they do is improve the graphics and maybe music and then force you to buy the game again, aka lazy remakes. Which is not what Tsuki:Re is IMO.
    Adding to this, I think it's pretty concerning that TM is already falling into that "Unlimited Remake Works" phase. Tsukihime Remake took that much time to finish half of its contents, and now we have Fate/Extra Record already in development hell as TM's first independent game studio's product.

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    When it comes to reusing characters and retreading familiar narrative element, I much prefer FGO's approach; or better yet, maybe TM should take note with how Mihoyo does it with Honkai Star Rail.

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    Usada Pekora (Hololive Vtuber) is now FGO ambassador


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    what the fuck

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    ok, after calming down from laughter, she is ambassador of "FGO Fes. 2023", so just for the anniversary

    dunno if that makes any difference

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    Nikiri has what I dub Blessings of the Boobs, see. As long as what his rolling for has two conspicuous mountains, they'll come to him one way or another.
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    Well, fine. Nikiri has this thing called 「我が往くは爆乳の彼方・・・!」
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    GundamFSN. Thank you.

    Just before rolling I said 「我が往くは爆乳の彼方・・・!」

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    what does this actually like, entail

    will she be on stage (on screen) at Fes?

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    I'm just glad for her being able to do something related to Fate at all.



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